From Baggins at well.com Thu Dec 1 01:05:16 2005 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Thu Dec 1 01:05:06 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Art on Checkers In-Reply-To: <0IQS00EMATFSIT@l-daemon> References: <438E5AFB.80009@insightbb.com> <0IQS00EMATFSIT@l-daemon> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051130220351.02581198@well.com> I'm just trying to keep my project in the 5 figure range. Mission creep, indeed - I wanted better brakes and it has all been downhill from there. At 06:55 PM 11/30/2005, you wrote: >John, >We took the rolling assembly of my '82 A11, rebuilt the rear end stock, I >think, switched out the single chamber "jam jar" master cylinder for a new >dual chamber, added power to the brake pedal, power steering, one >commercially available and one hand fabricated header, 700R4 transmission >(the power amenities for my slender bride). The '82 front spindles are in >upside down, to lower the ride, with custom heavy duty coil springs to keep >that quaint u-bar/"skid plate" off the ground. At first, I was trying to >keep as many parts Checker as possible, then something called "mission >creep" slipped in...(i.e. better,faster,prettier...). > >When it is done, it will have its own manual, with pictures, thank you >letters to suppliers, etc. > >I started on my own then enlisted the help of some professionals. That was >once I realized that Lane Darnton's essays were fairly subtle, and the >prospect of crashing due to mechanical failure sank in. > >I must say I have learned many great lessons during this project. Not least >of these are to set a budget and get ALL the engineering sorted out prior to >starting the cosmetic work. > >I look back on my before photos wistfully - the three in the tree tranny and >unreliable gas gauge were good theft deterrants in this age of Honda Civics. >I long for the smiles and thumbs up of people seeing the car roll (only one >in town). > >There is a second wagon that was to supply parts, but which turned out to be >too good to sacrifice. I will likely tidy it up and drive it to work in >winter. I really don't like the idea of a "trailer queen". > >If you have any advice, comments or warnings, these are most welcome. > >Regards, >-Chris Ayers, >Calgary > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From kellyohara81 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 1 16:55:06 2005 From: kellyohara81 at hotmail.com (Kelly OHara) Date: Thu Dec 1 16:55:11 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Ignition switch replacment Message-ID: Greetings, I am needing to replace the ignition switch on my 1975 A-11 with automatic. Is there a compatible one I could use? I know a lot of the mechanical stuff is from a same year Chevy Caprice. Is there a web page that might help me with the switch? I am pretty poor when it comes to mechanical stuff, but also literally poor when it comes to financial stuff, so will probably try a junk yard first when getting a replacment. Thank You, Kelly O _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Baggins at well.com Thu Dec 1 17:44:52 2005 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Thu Dec 1 17:44:37 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Ignition switch replacment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051201143948.025bbd40@well.com> Will you be doing the work? You could drive to Pick a Part or other dismantler and look at a similar year GM product. If it looks like the same column, the switch will likely fit. I am assuming that you are a Club Member and have looked at the parts interchange lists on the member's part of the website already. The Chassis parts catalog (Also on the site)probably has the switch manufacturer's part number (Delco, I bet) and you could take that to NAPA or other auto parts store and see what the new price is - it may be less than you fear At 01:55 PM 12/1/2005, Kelly OHara wrote: >Greetings, > I am needing to replace the ignition switch on my 1975 > A-11 with automatic. Is there a compatible one I could use? I know > a lot of the mechanical stuff is from a same year Chevy Caprice. > Is there a web page that might help me with the switch? I am pretty > poor when it comes to mechanical stuff, but also literally poor > when it comes to financial stuff, so will probably try a junk yard > first when getting a replacment. > >Thank You, > Kelly O > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Thu Dec 1 20:33:39 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Thu Dec 1 20:32:45 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Ignition switch replacment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438FA473.6060008@insightbb.com> Kelly, Auto Zone doesn't list one under Checker but if you pull the old one out, I'm sure they can match it up. According to the web site, a mid 70's Chevy switch is only $9. I've got a pretty good guess as to the number just browsing through their catalog. GM only used one column type ignition switch for a whole bunch of years. Didn't really change until the introduction of the VATS (anti-theft) technology in the early 1990's. You really should consider joining the Checker club. Right now it is only $20/year (U.S.) and it will get you full access to the web site. Non-members can only access about 1/2 the information we currently have online. All the "new" information that is loaded, like manuals and cross-reference lists, is all going into the "member's only" section. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home Kelly OHara wrote: > Greetings, > I am needing to replace the ignition switch on my 1975 A-11 > with automatic. Is there a compatible one I could use? I know a lot of > the mechanical stuff is from a same year Chevy Caprice. Is there a web > page that might help me with the switch? I am pretty poor when it comes > to mechanical stuff, but also literally poor when it comes to financial > stuff, so will probably try a junk yard first when getting a replacment. > > Thank You, > Kelly O > From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Dec 1 23:08:52 2005 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu Dec 1 23:08:54 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Attn: Chris Monier In-Reply-To: <437A1D47.1010809@email.unc.edu> Message-ID: <20051201200853.E464B7AD@dm17.mta.everyone.net> Did you get my emails of Nov 30? I'm waiting for answer before I mail pictures. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn@bassett.net http://bassett.net From jasalley78749 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 23:12:48 2005 From: jasalley78749 at yahoo.com (James Alley) Date: Thu Dec 1 23:12:49 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Ignition switch replacment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051202041248.12332.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Kelly: For ignition switch, or lock cylinder this is a great website. http://www.carcraft.com/howto/56459/ Also, if you have a non-tilt column, which most of them are, you'll have to break a hole in the pot metal top of the lock cylinder housing to access the lock cylinder retainer. I'm assuming you'll want to use this opportunity to check out the whole column. Otherwise, you can just remove the top column-to-dash bolts and the column will drop down allowing access to the top side of the lower column and the switch will be easily removed at that point. I bought mine at Autozone for a same year Chevy Caprice. It worked fine. James Alley in Austin 1973 A-12 --- Kelly OHara wrote: > Greetings, > I am needing to replace the ignition > switch on my 1975 A-11 > with automatic. Is there a compatible one I could > use? I know a lot of the > mechanical stuff is from a same year Chevy Caprice. > Is there a web page > that might help me with the switch? I am pretty poor > when it comes to > mechanical stuff, but also literally poor when it > comes to financial stuff, > so will probably try a junk yard first when getting > a replacment. > > Thank You, > Kelly O > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From willietb at hotmail.com Tue Dec 6 19:23:59 2005 From: willietb at hotmail.com (William T. Brandum) Date: Tue Dec 6 19:24:05 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Checker Shirt In-Reply-To: <102120050001.16109.43582FE80005171F00003EED22007636929D0A99010D089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: There's a Checker shirt on ebay. Item #8360990768 ~Will (forgive the shameless self-promotion) From Baggins at well.com Tue Dec 6 23:46:20 2005 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Tue Dec 6 23:46:23 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Checker Shirt In-Reply-To: References: <102120050001.16109.43582FE80005171F00003EED22007636929D0A99010D089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051206204559.025e5428@well.com> even more at http://www.cafepress.com/checkercab/ At 04:23 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >There's a Checker shirt on ebay. Item #8360990768 > >~Will >(forgive the shameless self-promotion) > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From Pam.Bohne at thepismobeachclassic.com Wed Dec 7 15:04:51 2005 From: Pam.Bohne at thepismobeachclassic.com (Pam Bohne) Date: Thu Dec 8 14:54:12 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Pismo Beach Classic - June 16-18, 2006- Pismo Beach California Message-ID: Happy Holidays!!!! If you have never been to Pismo Beach you're missing out on possibly the best car shows in Central California. Great Show, Beautiful beach location!, 21st year, reserved parking, space is limited, don't miss out registrar today!! 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From gogubbe at chello.se Fri Dec 9 06:35:58 2005 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Fri Dec 9 06:36:09 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Color code for yellow cab Message-ID: <000a01c5fcb4$bb393ad0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> At last i found the note with the coclor code for the checker that i went to dupont to get on my cab it dosent exsist as checker color anymoore but belive it or not by an accuracy of 0 to 5 5 beeinbg the worst they shot my color with a reader and got to 0,5 wich is very good in deed...then it turned out that the color is today used by fiat/lancia and is labeld as Dupont 070 Giacella Centari 5035 L9139/0:+FB that is the exact code for my car and camper i will respray my Cab this winter in Jan i hope. have a great off season restoring your beauties. Btw i just purchased the old general agents old stock and some of it will be up for5 sale i have brand new doors and replacement sheets also and all kinds of small stuff ill be back once ive done the inventory of it. 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URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051211/dae05dff/attachment.htm From willietb at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:17:47 2005 From: willietb at hotmail.com (William T. Brandum) Date: Sun Dec 11 12:17:49 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Hard Starting In-Reply-To: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: Since Mats brought up the subject of carbs, let me ask this: Why do I have to pump the heck out of the gas when starting my cab, after it's been sitting a day or two? I rebuilt the carb a few months ago, and while I'm not exactly a top-grade mechanic, it did improve my gas mileage considerably and eliminated the dieselling, so I'm hoping it's not the carb. A shot of starting fluid starts the car pretty quickly. It appears the carb isn't keeping gas in it. So is this the carb's fault or the fuel pump? I suppose it could be a punctured line or a loose fitting. (Too cold to check right now!) I have a '77 with the 250 engine. Thanks and happy holidays! 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URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051211/76b81e38/attachment.htm From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sun Dec 11 13:22:03 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Sun Dec 11 13:20:40 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator In-Reply-To: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <439C6E4B.4040707@insightbb.com> The vacuum lines are there for a reason ... distributor advance, also a bunch of pollution control valves (such as EGR and charcoal vapor canister), etc., including power brake booster. Being a 79 car, it probably has the typical warm up hesitation and "run on" knock when you shut it off. Careful tuning can get rid of most, if not all, of that. But it all requires a carb in good shape to begin with. Yours is probably just worn out, most likely leaking air around the throttle plate shaft bushings. There is no permanent fix for that except replacing the carb. I guess I would just get another Rochester monojet because they aren't expensive and are pretty easy to work on. And the 79 didn't have any of the electronic controls so it was really pretty simple. The most likely alternative would be a Holley one barrel; I think I remember them making an "emissions" version. I have mixed feelings about Holley's. Pretty good carb but tough to tune properly for all weather conditions. The trick I finally found was to set up a Holley on a cool, damp day and then it would be fine the rest of the time. Now if your 79 has the so called "two piece / split manifold" head design (don't remember what years without looking it up), where the intake is separate from the head, there may be one of the old 2 barrel manifolds floating around ... :-) John Mats-Einar wrote: > Hi ive got a 1979 chevy 250 straight six cylinder engine with a > rochester monojet carburator with loads of vacum hoses and i want to > replace it cause its worn down and ive tried restoring it and it just > wont work it also has an automatic choke and that dosent seem to get to > ework like it should i want to replace this carburator and i wonder > what you reccomend to be the best alternative to the rochester with less > vacum on ity keep it simple i belive.... > > thanx from > > Mats-Einar J > Stockholm Sweden > From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sun Dec 11 13:28:15 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Sun Dec 11 13:26:52 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Hard Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439C6FBF.1040601@insightbb.com> Will, Several possibilities come to mind ... 1. Float set a bit low so the needle and seat are not staying closed (maybe not a problem as long as fuel pump is working properly). 2. Damaged needle / seat - all it takes is a small nick or scratch 3. Choke setting wrong and/or bad electric choke (may not be getting voltage which is easy to check). 4. Mechanical fuel pump starting to go so it doesn't "maintain" pressure when the engine is turned off, allowing gas to drain back and actually "siphoning" gas out of the carb bowl. If it works well in warm weather, check the choke first. If it acts the same in all weather, check the fuel system. John William T. Brandum wrote: > > Since Mats brought up the subject of carbs, let me ask this: Why do I > have to pump the heck out of the gas when starting my cab, after it's > been sitting a day or two? I rebuilt the carb a few months ago, and > while I'm not exactly a top-grade mechanic, it did improve my gas > mileage considerably and eliminated the dieselling, so I'm hoping it's > not the carb. A shot of starting fluid starts the car pretty quickly. It > appears the carb isn't keeping gas in it. So is this the carb's fault or > the fuel pump? I suppose it could be a punctured line or a loose > fitting. (Too cold to check right now!) I have a '77 with the 250 engine. > Thanks and happy holidays! > Will > From gogubbe at chello.se Sun Dec 11 14:24:32 2005 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Sun Dec 11 14:24:35 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator References: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439C6E4B.4040707@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <001701c5fe88$83e66910$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Thanx John for the reply Here in Sweden EGR and other stuff that was forced on cars in USA wasnt enforced here until 1986 so in fact im taking off all the stuff like EGR and others to get the engine to be like the pre 73 cars in the us...they ran better and had moore horsepower *evilgrin* so..i can do that totally leqagal here and i will...so back to square one what carburator do you reccomend then????? OLD STYLE!!! Heck USA newer signed the Kyoto agreement on pollution sweden did and im still following the rules...LMBO Regards Mats-Einar J Nutty Swedish chef MUPP MUPP huskidulihej ----- Original Message ----- From: "john_weinhoeft" To: "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > The vacuum lines are there for a reason ... distributor > advance, also a bunch of pollution control valves (such as > EGR and charcoal vapor canister), etc., including power > brake booster. > > Being a 79 car, it probably has the typical warm up > hesitation and "run on" knock when you shut it off. Careful > tuning can get rid of most, if not all, of that. > > But it all requires a carb in good shape to begin with. > Yours is probably just worn out, most likely leaking air > around the throttle plate shaft bushings. There is no > permanent fix for that except replacing the carb. > > I guess I would just get another Rochester monojet because > they aren't expensive and are pretty easy to work on. And > the 79 didn't have any of the electronic controls so it was > really pretty simple. > > The most likely alternative would be a Holley one barrel; I > think I remember them making an "emissions" version. I have > mixed feelings about Holley's. Pretty good carb but tough to > tune properly for all weather conditions. The trick I > finally found was to set up a Holley on a cool, damp day and > then it would be fine the rest of the time. > > Now if your 79 has the so called "two piece / split > manifold" head design (don't remember what years without > looking it up), where the intake is separate from the head, > there may be one of the old 2 barrel manifolds floating > around ... :-) > > John > > Mats-Einar wrote: > > Hi ive got a 1979 chevy 250 straight six cylinder engine with a > > rochester monojet carburator with loads of vacum hoses and i want to > > replace it cause its worn down and ive tried restoring it and it just > > wont work it also has an automatic choke and that dosent seem to get to > > ework like it should i want to replace this carburator and i wonder > > what you reccomend to be the best alternative to the rochester with less > > vacum on ity keep it simple i belive.... > > > > thanx from > > > > Mats-Einar J > > Stockholm Sweden > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sun Dec 11 19:09:57 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Sun Dec 11 19:08:34 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator In-Reply-To: <001701c5fe88$83e66910$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439C6E4B.4040707@insightbb.com> <001701c5fe88$83e66910$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <439CBFD5.9080705@insightbb.com> Mat-Einar, Yeah, the US is big on "do as I say, not as I do" whenever it gets in the way of someone making a buck. In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion ... Not really sure what carb to recommend. Most my manuals only go back to the mid 70's / early 80's so all are "emissions" type since that was mandatory in 1974. You might try finding some of the Chevy hot rod sites and see what they recommend. Something you might look for; somewhere around 1976 - 1979 (depending on model), Chevy switched the 250 six cylinder from a separate head / intake design to an integrated one piece design. I have a vague memory of a few of the older ones (maybe truck?) having had a "special" 2 barrel intake manifold. If you had the 2 piece design (or changed back to it) and could find one, then a small 2 barrel intake and carb would potentially make more horsepower at the potential cost of some gas mileage. Like I said, it's a vague memory that I can't pin down. Back in those days I was racing Ford products (Mustang, Cougar, Comet, German Capri V6), not Chevys. And a walk through the local junk yards here would not remind me; most of them got rid of anything before about 1995 two years ago when scrap metal prices went real high. John W Mats-Einar wrote: > Thanx John for the reply > > Here in Sweden EGR and other stuff that was forced on cars in USA wasnt > enforced here until 1986 so in fact im taking off all the stuff like EGR and > others to get the engine to be like the pre 73 cars in the us...they ran > better and had moore horsepower *evilgrin* > > so..i can do that totally leqagal here and i will...so back to square one > what carburator do you reccomend then????? OLD STYLE!!! > > Heck USA newer signed the Kyoto agreement on pollution sweden did and im > still following the rules...LMBO > > Regards Mats-Einar J > > Nutty Swedish chef MUPP MUPP huskidulihej > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john_weinhoeft" > To: "Checker Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > > > >>The vacuum lines are there for a reason ... distributor >>advance, also a bunch of pollution control valves (such as >>EGR and charcoal vapor canister), etc., including power >>brake booster. >> >>Being a 79 car, it probably has the typical warm up >>hesitation and "run on" knock when you shut it off. Careful >>tuning can get rid of most, if not all, of that. >> >>But it all requires a carb in good shape to begin with. >>Yours is probably just worn out, most likely leaking air >>around the throttle plate shaft bushings. There is no >>permanent fix for that except replacing the carb. >> >>I guess I would just get another Rochester monojet because >>they aren't expensive and are pretty easy to work on. And >>the 79 didn't have any of the electronic controls so it was >>really pretty simple. >> >>The most likely alternative would be a Holley one barrel; I >>think I remember them making an "emissions" version. I have >>mixed feelings about Holley's. Pretty good carb but tough to >>tune properly for all weather conditions. The trick I >>finally found was to set up a Holley on a cool, damp day and >>then it would be fine the rest of the time. >> >>Now if your 79 has the so called "two piece / split >>manifold" head design (don't remember what years without >>looking it up), where the intake is separate from the head, >>there may be one of the old 2 barrel manifolds floating >>around ... :-) >> >>John >> >>Mats-Einar wrote: >> >>>Hi ive got a 1979 chevy 250 straight six cylinder engine with a >>>rochester monojet carburator with loads of vacum hoses and i want to >>>replace it cause its worn down and ive tried restoring it and it just >>>wont work it also has an automatic choke and that dosent seem to get to >>>ework like it should i want to replace this carburator and i wonder >>>what you reccomend to be the best alternative to the rochester with less >>>vacum on ity keep it simple i belive.... >>> >>>thanx from >>> >>>Mats-Einar J >>>Stockholm Sweden >>> From gogubbe at chello.se Sun Dec 11 19:17:34 2005 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Sun Dec 11 19:17:36 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator References: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439C6E4B.4040707@insightbb.com><001701c5fe88$83e66910$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439CBFD5.9080705@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <000801c5feb1$7345ade0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> thanx john for all your priceless knowlage ill just keep on hunting till i hstrike gold so to say...ill get there somehow... regards Mats-Einar ----- Original Message ----- From: "john_weinhoeft" To: "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > Mat-Einar, > > Yeah, the US is big on "do as I say, not as I do" whenever > it gets in the way of someone making a buck. In some states > here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog > tests. > > Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion ... > > Not really sure what carb to recommend. Most my manuals only > go back to the mid 70's / early 80's so all are "emissions" > type since that was mandatory in 1974. You might try finding > some of the Chevy hot rod sites and see what they recommend. > > Something you might look for; somewhere around 1976 - 1979 > (depending on model), Chevy switched the 250 six cylinder > from a separate head / intake design to an integrated one > piece design. I have a vague memory of a few of the older > ones (maybe truck?) having had a "special" 2 barrel intake > manifold. If you had the 2 piece design (or changed back to > it) and could find one, then a small 2 barrel intake and > carb would potentially make more horsepower at the potential > cost of some gas mileage. > > Like I said, it's a vague memory that I can't pin down. Back > in those days I was racing Ford products (Mustang, Cougar, > Comet, German Capri V6), not Chevys. > > And a walk through the local junk yards here would not > remind me; most of them got rid of anything before about > 1995 two years ago when scrap metal prices went real high. > > John W > > Mats-Einar wrote: > > > Thanx John for the reply > > > > Here in Sweden EGR and other stuff that was forced on cars in USA wasnt > > enforced here until 1986 so in fact im taking off all the stuff like EGR and > > others to get the engine to be like the pre 73 cars in the us...they ran > > better and had moore horsepower *evilgrin* > > > > so..i can do that totally leqagal here and i will...so back to square one > > what carburator do you reccomend then????? OLD STYLE!!! > > > > Heck USA newer signed the Kyoto agreement on pollution sweden did and im > > still following the rules...LMBO > > > > Regards Mats-Einar J > > > > Nutty Swedish chef MUPP MUPP huskidulihej > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john_weinhoeft" > > To: "Checker Mailing List" > > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > > > > > > > >>The vacuum lines are there for a reason ... distributor > >>advance, also a bunch of pollution control valves (such as > >>EGR and charcoal vapor canister), etc., including power > >>brake booster. > >> > >>Being a 79 car, it probably has the typical warm up > >>hesitation and "run on" knock when you shut it off. Careful > >>tuning can get rid of most, if not all, of that. > >> > >>But it all requires a carb in good shape to begin with. > >>Yours is probably just worn out, most likely leaking air > >>around the throttle plate shaft bushings. There is no > >>permanent fix for that except replacing the carb. > >> > >>I guess I would just get another Rochester monojet because > >>they aren't expensive and are pretty easy to work on. And > >>the 79 didn't have any of the electronic controls so it was > >>really pretty simple. > >> > >>The most likely alternative would be a Holley one barrel; I > >>think I remember them making an "emissions" version. I have > >>mixed feelings about Holley's. Pretty good carb but tough to > >>tune properly for all weather conditions. The trick I > >>finally found was to set up a Holley on a cool, damp day and > >>then it would be fine the rest of the time. > >> > >>Now if your 79 has the so called "two piece / split > >>manifold" head design (don't remember what years without > >>looking it up), where the intake is separate from the head, > >>there may be one of the old 2 barrel manifolds floating > >>around ... :-) > >> > >>John > >> > >>Mats-Einar wrote: > >> > >>>Hi ive got a 1979 chevy 250 straight six cylinder engine with a > >>>rochester monojet carburator with loads of vacum hoses and i want to > >>>replace it cause its worn down and ive tried restoring it and it just > >>>wont work it also has an automatic choke and that dosent seem to get to > >>>ework like it should i want to replace this carburator and i wonder > >>>what you reccomend to be the best alternative to the rochester with less > >>>vacum on ity keep it simple i belive.... > >>> > >>>thanx from > >>> > >>>Mats-Einar J > >>>Stockholm Sweden > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sun Dec 11 23:26:33 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Sun Dec 11 23:25:10 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator In-Reply-To: <000801c5feb1$7345ade0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <000e01c5fe72$231ee000$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439C6E4B.4040707@insightbb.com><001701c5fe88$83e66910$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <439CBFD5.9080705@insightbb.com> <000801c5feb1$7345ade0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <439CFBF9.6010805@insightbb.com> Mats-Einar, I did some checking around on the internet. Couldn't find a single 2 barrel manifold; did find some tri-power (three 2 barrels). Also, there is a 4 barrel Offy after market intake manifold used by a lot of the circle track racers with a 500 cfm 4 barrel. OFFENHAUSER? HIGH-PERFORMANCE 4-BBL. INTAKE MANIFOLD JC Whitney part # ZX737652T Leo Santucci's "Chevrolet Inline Six-Cylinder Power Manual" is the book for building the 194-230-250-292. If you were looking for a plain carb, I would check out the 70 - 72 era ones for a Chevy the same size. John W Mats-Einar wrote: > thanx john for all your priceless knowlage ill just keep on hunting till i > hstrike gold so to say...ill get there somehow... > > regards Mats-Einar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john_weinhoeft" > To: "Checker Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > > > >>Mat-Einar, >> >>Yeah, the US is big on "do as I say, not as I do" whenever >>it gets in the way of someone making a buck. In some states >>here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog >>tests. >> >>Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion ... >> >>Not really sure what carb to recommend. Most my manuals only >>go back to the mid 70's / early 80's so all are "emissions" >>type since that was mandatory in 1974. You might try finding >>some of the Chevy hot rod sites and see what they recommend. >> >>Something you might look for; somewhere around 1976 - 1979 >>(depending on model), Chevy switched the 250 six cylinder >>from a separate head / intake design to an integrated one >>piece design. I have a vague memory of a few of the older >>ones (maybe truck?) having had a "special" 2 barrel intake >>manifold. If you had the 2 piece design (or changed back to >>it) and could find one, then a small 2 barrel intake and >>carb would potentially make more horsepower at the potential >>cost of some gas mileage. >> >>Like I said, it's a vague memory that I can't pin down. Back >>in those days I was racing Ford products (Mustang, Cougar, >>Comet, German Capri V6), not Chevys. >> >>And a walk through the local junk yards here would not >>remind me; most of them got rid of anything before about >>1995 two years ago when scrap metal prices went real high. >> >>John W >> >>Mats-Einar wrote: >> >> >>>Thanx John for the reply >>> >>>Here in Sweden EGR and other stuff that was forced on cars in USA wasnt >>>enforced here until 1986 so in fact im taking off all the stuff like EGR > > and > >>>others to get the engine to be like the pre 73 cars in the us...they ran >>>better and had moore horsepower *evilgrin* >>> >>>so..i can do that totally leqagal here and i will...so back to square > > one > >>>what carburator do you reccomend then????? OLD STYLE!!! >>> >>>Heck USA newer signed the Kyoto agreement on pollution sweden did and > > im > >>>still following the rules...LMBO >>> >>>Regards Mats-Einar J >>> >>>Nutty Swedish chef MUPP MUPP huskidulihej >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "john_weinhoeft" >>>To: "Checker Mailing List" >>>Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:22 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The vacuum lines are there for a reason ... distributor >>>>advance, also a bunch of pollution control valves (such as >>>>EGR and charcoal vapor canister), etc., including power >>>>brake booster. >>>> >>>>Being a 79 car, it probably has the typical warm up >>>>hesitation and "run on" knock when you shut it off. Careful >>>>tuning can get rid of most, if not all, of that. >>>> >>>>But it all requires a carb in good shape to begin with. >>>>Yours is probably just worn out, most likely leaking air >>>>around the throttle plate shaft bushings. There is no >>>>permanent fix for that except replacing the carb. >>>> >>>>I guess I would just get another Rochester monojet because >>>>they aren't expensive and are pretty easy to work on. And >>>>the 79 didn't have any of the electronic controls so it was >>>>really pretty simple. >>>> >>>>The most likely alternative would be a Holley one barrel; I >>>>think I remember them making an "emissions" version. I have >>>>mixed feelings about Holley's. Pretty good carb but tough to >>>>tune properly for all weather conditions. The trick I >>>>finally found was to set up a Holley on a cool, damp day and >>>>then it would be fine the rest of the time. >>>> >>>>Now if your 79 has the so called "two piece / split >>>>manifold" head design (don't remember what years without >>>>looking it up), where the intake is separate from the head, >>>>there may be one of the old 2 barrel manifolds floating >>>>around ... :-) >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>>Mats-Einar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi ive got a 1979 chevy 250 straight six cylinder engine with a >>>>>rochester monojet carburator with loads of vacum hoses and i want to >>>>>replace it cause its worn down and ive tried restoring it and it just >>>>>wont work it also has an automatic choke and that dosent seem to get > > to > >>>>>ework like it should i want to replace this carburator and i wonder >>>>>what you reccomend to be the best alternative to the rochester with > > less > >>>>>vacum on ity keep it simple i belive.... >>>>> >>>>>thanx from >>>>> >>>>>Mats-Einar J >>>>>Stockholm Sweden >>>>> From dwsmith at ufl.edu Mon Dec 12 08:08:58 2005 From: dwsmith at ufl.edu (dwsmith) Date: Mon Dec 12 08:09:06 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Hard Starting In-Reply-To: <439C6FBF.1040601@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <003801c5ff1d$37356db0$b4c8e30a@DWSmith> I had similar problems with my carburetor. I replaced it last week with a rebuilt from AutoCraft Direct Carburetors in Jacksonville, FL (1-888-888-1417 - use ext 108 for Dave...tell him I sent you). I did it all by phone and the rebuilt (core exchange) showed up the next day. It is $159 for a lifetime guarantee, so it made little sense for me to try and rebuild (kit cost ~$90). It arrived fully adjusted with gaskets and took ~20 minutes to swap and all of my fuel/carb problems disappeared. If you give them the engine (or preferably the existing carb number), they will have all the possible cross references. Good luck, dws. Professor David W. Smith Department of Psychology Box 112250 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 32611 Voice (352) 392-0601 ext 254 Fax (352) 846-2169 http://grove.ufl.edu/~smithlab/ -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 1:28 PM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Hard Starting Will, Several possibilities come to mind ... 1. Float set a bit low so the needle and seat are not staying closed (maybe not a problem as long as fuel pump is working properly). 2. Damaged needle / seat - all it takes is a small nick or scratch 3. Choke setting wrong and/or bad electric choke (may not be getting voltage which is easy to check). 4. Mechanical fuel pump starting to go so it doesn't "maintain" pressure when the engine is turned off, allowing gas to drain back and actually "siphoning" gas out of the carb bowl. If it works well in warm weather, check the choke first. If it acts the same in all weather, check the fuel system. John William T. Brandum wrote: > > Since Mats brought up the subject of carbs, let me ask this: Why do I > have to pump the heck out of the gas when starting my cab, after it's > been sitting a day or two? I rebuilt the carb a few months ago, and > while I'm not exactly a top-grade mechanic, it did improve my gas > mileage considerably and eliminated the dieselling, so I'm hoping it's > not the carb. A shot of starting fluid starts the car pretty quickly. It > appears the carb isn't keeping gas in it. So is this the carb's fault or > the fuel pump? I suppose it could be a punctured line or a loose > fitting. (Too cold to check right now!) I have a '77 with the 250 engine. > Thanks and happy holidays! > Will > _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From jfay at checkercarclub.org Mon Dec 12 10:18:32 2005 From: jfay at checkercarclub.org (Joe Fay) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:22:48 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets In-Reply-To: <003801c5ff1d$37356db0$b4c8e30a@DWSmith> Message-ID: <200512121518.jBCFIWEQ020517@checker.divisionpoint.net> Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? Joe Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 10:51:48 2005 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Mon Dec 12 10:51:49 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <439CBFD5.9080705@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <20051212155148.40117.qmail@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/7a977705/attachment.htm From pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com Mon Dec 12 11:20:01 2005 From: pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com (Pam Cook-Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:20:08 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <20051212155148.40117.qmail@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/ce5fda41/attachment.htm From larry at autoworks.com Mon Dec 12 11:37:40 2005 From: larry at autoworks.com (Larry Moore) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:43:20 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051212164318.7CD9E450@cache.cow.net> Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W _____ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/ad3b9155/attachment.htm From pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com Mon Dec 12 11:45:27 2005 From: pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com (Pam Cook-Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:45:29 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <20051212164318.7CD9E450@cache.cow.net> Message-ID: Thank you soooooooo much! Will I have to take it off? or can I drive it up there. I haven't attempted to take it off, but I am all about a challenge. -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/92cccf04/attachment-0001.htm From dwsmith at ufl.edu Mon Dec 12 11:47:01 2005 From: dwsmith at ufl.edu (dwsmith) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:47:09 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <20051212164318.7CD9E450@cache.cow.net> Message-ID: <006f01c5ff3b$ad03ade0$b4c8e30a@DWSmith> I had precisely the same problem with the tank in my 1981 Marathon. After a couple of years (and dozens of filters) I had my local radiator shop take off the tank, clean it and epoxy the inside. Problem solved for ~$185. The radiator guy said they do many tanks. Professor David W. Smith Department of Psychology Box 112250 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 32611 Voice (352) 392-0601 ext 254 Fax (352) 846-2169 http://grove.ufl.edu/~smithlab/ -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W _____ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/4dde3625/attachment.htm From dwsmith at ufl.edu Mon Dec 12 11:48:22 2005 From: dwsmith at ufl.edu (dwsmith) Date: Mon Dec 12 11:48:29 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007901c5ff3b$dd73bbf0$b4c8e30a@DWSmith> Yes, the tank will need to come off so that the roof/top of the tank will be coated.that is most likely the site of the rust (condensation). The $185 I paid included taking the tank off and re-installing. Professor David W. Smith Department of Psychology Box 112250 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 32611 Voice (352) 392-0601 ext 254 Fax (352) 846-2169 http://grove.ufl.edu/~smithlab/ -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:45 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Thank you soooooooo much! Will I have to take it off? or can I drive it up there. I haven't attempted to take it off, but I am all about a challenge. -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W _____ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/ae34a382/attachment-0001.htm From pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com Mon Dec 12 12:11:32 2005 From: pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com (Pam Cook-Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:11:41 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <006f01c5ff3b$ad03ade0$b4c8e30a@DWSmith> Message-ID: Thanks, I am on it this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of dwsmith Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:47 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I had precisely the same problem with the tank in my 1981 Marathon. After a couple of years (and dozens of filters) I had my local radiator shop take off the tank, clean it and epoxy the inside. Problem solved for ~$185. The radiator guy said they do many tanks. Professor David W. Smith Department of Psychology Box 112250 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 32611 Voice (352) 392-0601 ext 254 Fax (352) 846-2169 http://grove.ufl.edu/~smithlab/ -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/5e5b04ba/attachment.htm From larry at autoworks.com Mon Dec 12 12:08:05 2005 From: larry at autoworks.com (Larry Moore) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:13:11 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <20051212164318.7CD9E450@cache.cow.net> Message-ID: <20051212171310.14DEB80E@cache.cow.net> Unfortunately you will need to drop the tank out of the car and take it to them. They might be able to drop it for you also. I would call around and find a shop that can do the boil out and then find out if they can also drop it out of the car for you. Larry _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W _____ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/467189c8/attachment-0001.htm From pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com Mon Dec 12 12:19:35 2005 From: pkcstevens at plumbersgroup.com (Pam Cook-Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:19:38 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: <20051212171310.14DEB80E@cache.cow.net> Message-ID: Thanks, that was my next question. I will do some research and if not, I will get on that. Appreciate your help! -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:08 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Unfortunately you will need to drop the tank out of the car and take it to them. They might be able to drop it for you also. I would call around and find a shop that can do the boil out and then find out if they can also drop it out of the car for you. Larry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Larry Moore Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:38 AM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Pam, Your local radiator shop should be able to boil out the tank. There are coatings available to dump into the tank once it is boiled out that will keep it from rusting again. Your radiator shop may have a coating or your local small airport technicians may have it. Once the coating is done you will not have any more rust problems in the tank. Larry Moore '72 A-12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Pam Cook-Stevens Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:20 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it so I can drive it here and there. I had a mechanic tell me we need to have the gas tank re-surfaced because it has rust in it which causes the filter to stop out when you drive it. Besides sending it to Joe, couldn't a welder re-surface it? Money is the issue here. I don't know if it would be cheaper or not, but I know a welder that may be willing instead of mailing it north. This is my personal mission and there really is not money in the budget for things like this. Help, Feed back, PLEASE! Pam Stevens -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com]On Behalf Of Carguy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Ahh, but not in Arizona - that sort of policy would make sense. Here, we still test vehicles from model year 1967 forward, so in a matter of a year or so, we will be emissions testing 40-year-old vehicles. There are very few people driving 40-year-old vehicles for daily transportation, even in this poor state, but never forget the the first rule of government is "Get The Revenue." :-( Ron Shull Tucson john_weinhoeft wrote: Mat-Einar, In some states here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog tests. John W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051212/7a45b60b/attachment.htm From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Mon Dec 12 12:49:00 2005 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439DB80C.9020408@insightbb.com> Pam, If you are not a member, you should check out the club web site and seriously consider joining the club for full web site access; non-members can access about 1/2 of the resources on the site. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home Pam Cook-Stevens wrote: > I see your emails pertaining to different makes of Checkers. I have a > 72 Checker Marathon and am just starting to re-do everything to get it > so I can drive it here and there. ... > Pam Stevens From Sgalano179 at cs.com Mon Dec 12 13:05:13 2005 From: Sgalano179 at cs.com (Sgalano179@cs.com) Date: Mon Dec 12 13:05:19 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Emissions Testing (was Replacement carburetor) Message-ID: <23e.3776c6d.30cf15d9@cs.com> Ms. Stevens: The recommendation to join the club for access to help you in your projects is a good one, but in addition to that, I think (if my memory serves me right) you can purchase the products you need to both clean and resurface the interior of your gas tank at Eastwood. Peace and prosperity to you! Samuel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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INTAKE MANIFOLD JC Whitney part # ZX737652T Leo Santucci's "Chevrolet Inline Six-Cylinder Power Manual" is the book for building the 194-230-250-292. If you were looking for a plain carb, I would check out the 70 - 72 era ones for a Chevy the same size. John W Mats-Einar wrote: > thanx john for all your priceless knowlage ill just keep on hunting till i > hstrike gold so to say...ill get there somehow... > > regards Mats-Einar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john_weinhoeft" > To: "Checker Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Replacement carburtator > > > >>Mat-Einar, >> >>Yeah, the US is big on "do as I say, not as I do" whenever >>it gets in the way of someone making a buck. In some states >>here, cars over 20 or 25 years old are also exempt from smog >>tests. >> >>Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion ... >> >>Not really sure what carb to recommend. Most my manuals only --- message truncated --- From jasalley78749 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 21:18:59 2005 From: jasalley78749 at yahoo.com (James Alley) Date: Mon Dec 12 21:19:00 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets In-Reply-To: <200512121518.jBCFIWEQ020517@checker.divisionpoint.net> Message-ID: <20051213021859.55761.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Here's one I got from this group. http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm James in Austin --- Joe Fay wrote: > > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? > > Joe > > Joe Fay > President > Checker Car Club of America > http://www.checkercarclub.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Baggins at well.com Tue Dec 13 11:15:00 2005 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Tue Dec 13 11:15:31 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets Message-ID: <200512131615.jBDGFF09022593@atlmta3.mycingular.net> I used rubber "carpet" and a set of these, made to fit. Www.cocomats.com looks good Tom McIntyre 285 States Street San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 415-626-5255 Baggins@Well.com www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com -----Original Message----- From: James Alley Subj: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 21:23 Size: 746 bytes To: Checker Mailing List Here's one I got from this group. http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm James in Austin --- Joe Fay wrote: > > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? > > Joe > > Joe Fay > President > Checker Car Club of America > http://www.checkercarclub.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From gogubbe at chello.se Tue Dec 13 11:50:47 2005 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Tue Dec 13 11:50:51 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets References: <200512131615.jBDGFF09022593@atlmta3.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <000d01c60005$5daf3dc0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Hi toTom and evryone the Carpets made for Checker are they a full carpet fitted for the whole car or is it just small extra carpets and how is the cloth quallity and the rubber quallity best regards Mats-Einar certified checkerfreak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas McIntyre" To: "Checker Mailing List" ; "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > I used rubber "carpet" and a set of these, made to fit. > Www.cocomats.com > looks good > > Tom McIntyre > 285 States Street > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > 415-626-5255 > Baggins@Well.com > www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Alley > Subj: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 21:23 > Size: 746 bytes > To: Checker Mailing List > > Here's one I got from this group. > > http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm > > James in Austin > > --- Joe Fay wrote: > > > > > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? > > > > Joe > > > > Joe Fay > > President > > Checker Car Club of America > > http://www.checkercarclub.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Checker mailing list > > Checker@textfiles.com > > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From Baggins at well.com Tue Dec 13 12:09:00 2005 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Tue Dec 13 12:09:55 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets Message-ID: <200512131709.jBDH9eMO009678@atlmta3.mycingular.net> I got a full car set of rubber floor covering fron Joe Pollard. Quality seems good. I am not sure if it is cut especially for a Checker or if it is generic as the upholstry guy put it in for me whilst he was doing the doors and I did not see it before installation. Carpet is correct for my A 12 but rubber is so practical for kids, pets, and the like. Tom McIntyre 285 States Street San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 415-626-5255 Baggins@Well.com www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com -----Original Message----- From: "Mats-Einar" Subj: Re: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:52 Size: 1K To: "Checker Mailing List" Hi toTom and evryone the Carpets made for Checker are they a full carpet fitted for the whole car or is it just small extra carpets and how is the cloth quallity and the rubber quallity best regards Mats-Einar certified checkerfreak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas McIntyre" To: "Checker Mailing List" ; "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > I used rubber "carpet" and a set of these, made to fit. > Www.cocomats.com > looks good > > Tom McIntyre > 285 States Street > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > 415-626-5255 > Baggins@Well.com > www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Alley > Subj: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 21:23 > Size: 746 bytes > To: Checker Mailing List > > Here's one I got from this group. > > http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm > > James in Austin > > --- Joe Fay wrote: > > > > > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? > > > > Joe > > --- message truncated --- From jfay at checkercarclub.org Tue Dec 13 12:24:47 2005 From: jfay at checkercarclub.org (Joe Fay) Date: Tue Dec 13 12:28:58 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets In-Reply-To: <200512131709.jBDH9eMO009678@atlmta3.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <200512131724.jBDHOlC7060155@checker.divisionpoint.net> Thanks for the feedback. Kanter Auto offers custom carpet sets for Checkers. $175.00 plus shipping of $18.00. www.Kanter.com Custom fit, it take four to five weeks for deliveries. Fred Kanter apparently owns several Checkers and is rejoining the club. Joe On 12/13/2005, "Thomas McIntyre" wrote: >I got a full car set of rubber floor covering fron Joe Pollard. >Quality seems good. >I am not sure if it is cut especially for a Checker or if it is generic as the upholstry guy put it in for me whilst he was doing the doors and I did not see it before installation. Carpet is correct for my A 12 but rubber is so practical for kids, pets, and the like. > >Tom McIntyre >285 States Street >San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 >415-626-5255 >Baggins@Well.com >www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com > >-----Original Message----- > >From: "Mats-Einar" >Subj: Re: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets >Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:52 >Size: 1K >To: "Checker Mailing List" > >Hi toTom and evryone the Carpets made for Checker are they a full carpet >fitted for the whole car or is it just small extra carpets and how is the >cloth quallity and the rubber quallity > >best regards Mats-Einar certified checkerfreak. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas McIntyre" >To: "Checker Mailing List" ; "Checker Mailing List" > >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:15 PM >Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > > >> I used rubber "carpet" and a set of these, made to fit. >> Www.cocomats.com >> looks good >> >> Tom McIntyre >> 285 States Street >> San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 >> 415-626-5255 >> Baggins@Well.com >> www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: James Alley >> Subj: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets >> Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 21:23 >> Size: 746 bytes >> To: Checker Mailing List >> >> Here's one I got from this group. >> >> http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm >> >> James in Austin >> >> --- Joe Fay wrote: >> >> > >> > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? >> > >> > Joe >> > > >--- message truncated --- > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 16:14:14 2005 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Tue Dec 13 16:14:26 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets In-Reply-To: <200512131709.jBDH9eMO009678@atlmta3.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <20051213211414.61452.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, Tom, it's practical, but it has a down side, particularly in a damp climate like yours. If your Checker is not watertight (especially the windshield gasket), water will get under that rubber floor mat and eat out the floors. I've had that happen three times with Checkers with rubber floor mats. Carpet will breathe and eventually evaporate any water that gets in, but rubber can't. I rip out rubber floor mats in Checkers now as soon as I buy them, as I've done enough floor work on these to last me the rest of my life! Ron Shull Tucson Thomas McIntyre wrote: I got a full car set of rubber floor covering fron Joe Pollard. Quality seems good. I am not sure if it is cut especially for a Checker or if it is generic as the upholstry guy put it in for me whilst he was doing the doors and I did not see it before installation. Carpet is correct for my A 12 but rubber is so practical for kids, pets, and the like. Tom McIntyre 285 States Street San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 415-626-5255 Baggins@Well.com www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com -----Original Message----- From: "Mats-Einar" Subj: Re: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:52 Size: 1K To: "Checker Mailing List" Hi toTom and evryone the Carpets made for Checker are they a full carpet fitted for the whole car or is it just small extra carpets and how is the cloth quallity and the rubber quallity best regards Mats-Einar certified checkerfreak. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas McIntyre" To: "Checker Mailing List" ; "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > I used rubber "carpet" and a set of these, made to fit. > Www.cocomats.com > looks good > > Tom McIntyre > 285 States Street > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > 415-626-5255 > Baggins@Well.com > www.CoronaHeights4Rent.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Alley > Subj: RE: [Checker-l] Carpet Sets > Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 21:23 > Size: 746 bytes > To: Checker Mailing List > > Here's one I got from this group. > > http://www.roadworksauto.com/Carpets/checker.htm > > James in Austin > > --- Joe Fay wrote: > > > > > Lost my contact of carpet sets. any URLS? > > > > Joe > > --- message truncated --- _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Matt Murray From gogubbe at chello.se Thu Dec 15 18:12:35 2005 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Thu Dec 15 18:12:36 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Cab Driver References: <014301c601c6$c871a040$6a01a8c0@matt88400db956> Message-ID: <001b01c601cd$08d4b900$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> thanx gave me a huge laugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Murray" To: "Checker post" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: [Checker-l] Cab Driver > For those who have always wanted to > autocross a cab... with unbelted passenger: > > http://www.entertainmentanytime.com/ > > After you tire of the controlling keys > they "give" you, try a few others. > > I hope you will have a great Holiday Season, and a wonderful New Year! > > Matt Murray > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From d69d69d69 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 19:21:07 2005 From: d69d69d69 at hotmail.com (Chuck and Janet) Date: Thu Dec 15 19:21:05 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Cab Driver In-Reply-To: <014301c601c6$c871a040$6a01a8c0@matt88400db956> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051215/6d7a8c9f/attachment.htm From captunderdog at clearwire.net Fri Dec 16 01:02:54 2005 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Fri Dec 16 01:03:54 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Cab Driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A2588E.2050708@clearwire.net> Someone with way more time than anybody should be allowed. However it does make me want to be a cab driver, but only if I could pick up a few persons of my choice. ;-) Chuck and Janet wrote: > that is funny. who comes up with these things? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /Matt Murray / > Reply-To: /Checker Mailing List / > To: /Checker post / > Subject: /[Checker-l] Cab Driver/ > Date: /Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:27:50 -0500/ > >For those who have always wanted to autocross a cab... with unbelted > >passenger: > > > >http://www.entertainmentanytime.com/ > > > >After you tire of the controlling keys they "give" you, try a few > >others. > > > >I hope you will have a great Holiday Season, and a wonderful New > >Year! > > > >Matt Murray > >_______________________________________________ > >Checker mailing list > >Checker@textfiles.com > >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051215/2234ecd0/attachment.htm From member at ebay.com Sun Dec 18 00:56:52 2005 From: member at ebay.com (eBay Member: kathryn@bassett.net) Date: Sun Dec 18 00:56:56 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Kathryn Bassett sent you this eBay item: 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates (#4597428162) Message-ID: <1588522849.1134885412427.JavaMail.v3core@rc-v3conta010> ----------------------------------------------------------------- kathrynbassett sent you this eBay item. Personal message: I saw this on eBay and thought you might be interested. View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4597428162&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates Item number: 4597428162 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: the_studtmans(4121) Positive Feedback: 99.9% Member since May-10-00 in United States Current bid: US $3.58 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 1 days 15 hours 7-day listing Ends Dec-19-0513:46:20 PST Item location: Allegan, MI United States Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary These came with the machine that stamped them, from the Checker Company in Kalamazoo. I think that they had something to do with setting up the machine. They all have stamps on the serial # line, but they have different numbers of digits, and one has mostly dashes. One of them has stamps on the motor no. line, the trans line, and the axel line also. They measure 3" x 5". We will combine auctions/store purchaces to save money on shipping, when possible.If you are a winning bidder and haven't received an invoice within 24 hours of the end of an auction, please let me know. I will try another means of contacting you. I will figure shipping for international winners and winners of multiple auctions, also within 24 hours. Please email any questions. We must have an actual street address for UPS deliveries. UPS will not deliver to a PO Box. We can't be here 24/7 (we have to find new stuff)! The office is open MON-THUR 10AM to 5PM EDT. We accept Paypal for your convenience. Personal checks are fine but will be held until clear. Money Orders, Cashiers Checks, and Paypal orders will be sent immediately.BUY WITH CONFIDENCE!! 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You pass the two "jump seats," folded into the floor. They look ravaged, though rarely have you seen them used. Maybe it was a 60's thing. You slump down on the broad, featureless back seat and worry. (You're still late.) You give no thought to the chasm between you and the Checker's signature "Life-Guard" metal and plexiglass partition. It's there for the driver's protection, not yours. And no recorded message from Al Jolson implores you to fasten your seat belt. What seat belt? In a violent stop, you'll reach peak velocity just as you meet the "Life-Guard" partition, teeth first. And yet, and yet. ... For nearly 50 years, since 1956, the Checker Marathon cab has been a New York emblem. It hasn't rumbled down the city's streets for years, yet its hallmark checker motif still looms large at an exhibition on the New York cab of the future, being held through Jan. 15 at Parsons the New School of Design. Why such staying power in New York memories? The Checker cab was as New York as Fiorello La Guardia's grin. Sure, there were a few Checkers plying the streets of Chicago and other cities aspiring to greatness - but who asked? Before the Checker, various humdrum 50's family sedans - Chevrolet Delrays, Plymouth Savoys and such - were auditioned, but they were no match for Manhattan's rugged realities. New York demanded a taxi that was nothing but a taxi, a taxi built like a Walker Bulldog medium tank. The Checker made its debut, and it was love at first bounce. As if to underscore its unique suitability, the Checker looked like no other vehicle, and Detroit's automakers worked hard to keep it that way. It had four headlamps and a big, gaping chrome grille like a frozen automotive rendering of "The Scream." It functioned differently, too, sending a simple message: "I carry five fares - no other cab can. Period." If you numbered fewer than five (and you did), a Checker offered vast room to rattle around in, its suspension banging and slamming, taking note of every pavement paint stripe, pebble and pothole along the way. To gentle souls from Topeka, this all sounds awful. Yet I, like many New Yorkers, would give anything for one more full-throttle Checker cab ramble up Madison Avenue, clattering around the back like a ball bearing in a blender. That's impossible, of course. Six years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1999, the last Checker to give a rider a Manhattan tumble was sold in an auction at Sotheby's. That final Checker cab, owned by Earl Johnson since 1978, had logged 994,050 New York miles, about 40 times around the world. The cab was auctioned for $134,500. Mr. Johnson, who remembered paying $9,000 for it new, retired to Montego Bay, Jamaica. Depending on the state of New York City's finances, the fate of a taxicab here could be cruel. In the near-bankrupt 70's, a drive down pockmarked Second Avenue was like driving down the Grand Canyon. By comparison, today's playing surface is bowling-alley smooth. Nonetheless, since 1956, feast or famine, the beloved Checker cab had taken every blow New York dealt - and delivered it straight to the consumer. It took a very special vehicle to approach one million New York miles. That gritty vehicle arose from decades of trial, error and worse. The man most responsible was a Russian immigrant, Morris Markin, of Smolensk. He arrived in the United States in 1913 with $2 in his pocket. The urban taxicab business was in its infancy when Mr. Markin settled in Chicago. By 1922, somewhat miraculously, he owned the Checker Cab Manufacturing Company. Taxi wars eliminated company after company, and when the dust settled, Checker emerged with only one major competitor, Yellow Cab of Chicago, owned by John Hertz. Yes, that Hertz. In 1923, Mr. Markin moved Checker taxi construction to Kalamazoo, Mich. At the time, 600 Checkers were on New York streets. In 1930, Checker introduced its eye-catching Series "M" cab, boasting flashy flared fenders, a high, narrow grille, rectangular headlights, wheel covers that were smooth cones - and rear seat cushions filled with down! Each time a fare got out, the driver reached back with a special paddle to fluff up the down for arriving nobility. During the Depression, Mr. Markin lost, then regained control of Checker. Business improved gradually. By the late 30's, 18,000 Checkers were plying the nation's biggest cities. Along the way, Mr. Markin brought all nine of his brothers and sisters from Russia to America. During World War II, Checker patriotically and profitably built trailers and troop-truck cabs for Ford. But on Jan. 26, 1956, New York met the first Checker "A8," the taxi we all loved. At 200 inches long, it was more compact than the 224-inch cabs in use, yet it was vastly more spacious. Checker production hovered at 4,500 to 6,500 cars a year through the 60's and 70's. Various engines by Continental, Chevrolet and Chrysler were used. The general public could buy its own version of the Checker, called the Superba, which in 1961 was renamed the Marathon. In 1963, ambitious Checker announced a luxury Town Custom Limousine, with all power accessories and a partitioned driver compartment. Never hurts to try. Still, the rugged-riding Checker compared poorly with softer passenger cars. New Yorkers knew it had only one role, as the best taxicab in the world. Things went swimmingly until the 70's. Very suddenly, serious gas crises made smaller cars with more economical engines attractive, especially if a threatened gas-guzzler tax took effect. And the Checker's toughness had always made it more expensive than other taxis. The graffiti was on the wall. The end was nigh. The last Checker was built on July 13, 1982. By 1993, only 10 New York Checkers remained. And in these waning years, if you saw a Checker with its hood up - you might - you'd see a length of chain holding the front fenders together. After several hundred thousand miles, Checkers went a bit bow-legged. It was the end of an era. Gone was the practice of wearing your hat in a cab. (What's a hat?) Bid farewell to the five-on-a-fare undergrad rides to the Village. Say goodbye to taxicabs with room for strollers in back and taxicabs with kids fighting to sit on the jump seats. The Checker dwindled. Dwindled. And then there were none. Ted West is a contributing editor of Car and Driver magazine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051218/9efa3d14/attachment-0001.htm From lu3ke at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 10:56:36 2005 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Sun Dec 18 10:56:36 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Kathryn Bassett sent you this eBay item: 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates (#4597428162) In-Reply-To: <1588522849.1134885412427.JavaMail.v3core@rc-v3conta010> Message-ID: <20051218155636.30751.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Whoa... the interesting thing in that item is the "These came with the machine that stamped them"... Does this mean Checker Motors is liquidating some/all of their mothballed Checker production line? - Luke --- "eBay Member: kathryn@bassett.net" wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > kathrynbassett sent you this eBay item. > > Personal message: > I saw this on eBay and thought you might be > interested. > > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4597428162&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates > Item number: 4597428162 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: the_studtmans(4121) > Positive Feedback: 99.9% > Member since May-10-00 in United States > Current bid: US $3.58 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Time left: 1 days 15 hours > 7-day listing > Ends Dec-19-0513:46:20 PST > > > Item location: Allegan, MI > United States > Ships to: Worldwide > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Summary > > > > These came with the machine that stamped them, > from the Checker Company in Kalamazoo. I think that > they had something to do with setting up the > machine. They all have stamps on the serial # line, > but they have different numbers of digits, and one > has mostly dashes. One of them has stamps on the > motor no. line, the trans line, and the axel line > also. They measure 3" x 5". We will combine > auctions/store purchaces to save money on shipping, > when possible.If you are a winning bidder and > haven't received an invoice within 24 hours of the > end of an auction, please let me know. I will try > another means of contacting you. I will figure > shipping for international winners and winners of > multiple auctions, also within 24 hours. > > Please email any questions. > We must have an actual street address for UPS > deliveries. UPS will > not deliver to a PO Box. > > We can't be here 24/7 (we have to find new stuff)! > The office is > open MON-THUR 10AM to 5PM EDT. > > We accept Paypal for your convenience. > Personal checks are fine but will be held until > clear. > Money Orders, Cashiers Checks, and Paypal orders > will be sent immediately.BUY WITH CONFIDENCE!! > > > > > Powered by eBay Turbo Lister > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn > More at > http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. > > You are receiving this email because the sender > thought you would be > interested in this eBay item. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lu3ke at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 11:04:05 2005 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Sun Dec 18 11:04:06 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] King Cab In-Reply-To: <8C7D1FAA73522D3-118-3EAB@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20051218160405.18583.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> That is a really good article. Nice mix of information and nostalgia. - Luke --- dbronx@aol.com wrote: > This article appears in Sunday's New York Times: > > By TED WEST > NEW YORK, Dec. 18, 1984 - You're late. The Checker > cab you hail lurches to the curb, brakes squealing > like a throttled pullet. You reach for the trademark > stripe of black-and-white checkers on its yellow > doors and climb in. Slamming the door shut makes a > bucket-of-bolts clatter that goes on like an echo in > a box canyon. The back seat is way back there, a > short stroll from the door. You pass the two "jump > seats," folded into the floor. They look ravaged, > though rarely have you seen them used. > Maybe it was a 60's thing. > > You slump down on the broad, featureless back seat > and worry. (You're still late.) You give no thought > to the chasm between you and the Checker's signature > "Life-Guard" metal and plexiglass partition. It's > there for the driver's protection, not yours. And no > recorded message from Al Jolson implores you to > fasten your seat belt. What seat belt? In a violent > stop, you'll reach peak velocity just as you meet > the "Life-Guard" partition, teeth first. > > And yet, and yet. ... For nearly 50 years, since > 1956, the Checker Marathon cab has been a New York > emblem. It hasn't rumbled down the city's streets > for years, yet its hallmark checker motif still > looms large at an exhibition on the New York cab of > the future, being held through Jan. 15 at Parsons > the New School of Design. > > Why such staying power in New York memories? The > Checker cab was as New York as Fiorello La Guardia's > grin. Sure, there were a few Checkers plying the > streets of Chicago and other cities aspiring to > greatness - but who asked? Before the Checker, > various humdrum 50's family sedans - Chevrolet > Delrays, Plymouth Savoys and such - were auditioned, > but they were no match for Manhattan's rugged > realities. New York demanded a taxi that was nothing > but a taxi, a taxi built like a Walker Bulldog > medium tank. The Checker made its debut, and it was > love at first bounce. > > As if to underscore its unique suitability, the > Checker looked like no other vehicle, and Detroit's > automakers worked hard to keep it that way. It had > four headlamps and a big, gaping chrome grille like > a frozen automotive rendering of "The Scream." It > functioned differently, too, sending a simple > message: "I carry five fares - no other cab can. > Period." If you numbered fewer than five (and you > did), a Checker offered vast room to rattle around > in, its suspension banging and slamming, taking note > of every pavement paint stripe, pebble and pothole > along the way. > > To gentle souls from Topeka, this all sounds awful. > Yet I, like many New Yorkers, would give anything > for one more full-throttle Checker cab ramble up > Madison Avenue, clattering around the back like a > ball bearing in a blender. > > That's impossible, of course. Six years ago today, > on Dec. 18, 1999, the last Checker to give a rider a > Manhattan tumble was sold in an auction at > Sotheby's. That final Checker cab, owned by Earl > Johnson since 1978, had logged 994,050 New York > miles, about 40 times around the world. The cab was > auctioned for $134,500. Mr. Johnson, who remembered > paying $9,000 for it new, retired to Montego Bay, > Jamaica. > > Depending on the state of New York City's finances, > the fate of a taxicab here could be cruel. In the > near-bankrupt 70's, a drive down pockmarked Second > Avenue was like driving down the Grand Canyon. By > comparison, today's playing surface is bowling-alley > smooth. Nonetheless, since 1956, feast or famine, > the beloved Checker cab had taken every blow New > York dealt - and delivered it straight to the > consumer. > > It took a very special vehicle to approach one > million New York miles. That gritty vehicle arose > from decades of trial, error and worse. The man most > responsible was a Russian immigrant, Morris Markin, > of Smolensk. He arrived in the United States in 1913 > with $2 in his pocket. The urban taxicab business > was in its infancy when Mr. Markin settled in > Chicago. By 1922, somewhat miraculously, he owned > the Checker Cab Manufacturing Company. Taxi wars > eliminated company after company, and when the dust > settled, Checker emerged with only one major > competitor, Yellow Cab of Chicago, owned by John > Hertz. Yes, that Hertz. > > In 1923, Mr. Markin moved Checker taxi construction > to Kalamazoo, Mich. At the time, 600 Checkers were > on New York streets. In 1930, Checker introduced its > eye-catching Series "M" cab, boasting flashy flared > fenders, a high, narrow grille, rectangular > headlights, wheel covers that were smooth cones - > and rear seat cushions filled with down! > > Each time a fare got out, the driver reached back > with a special paddle to fluff up the down for > arriving nobility. > > During the Depression, Mr. Markin lost, then > regained control of Checker. Business improved > gradually. By the late 30's, 18,000 Checkers were > plying the nation's biggest cities. Along the way, > Mr. Markin brought all nine of his brothers and > sisters from Russia to America. > > During World War II, Checker patriotically and > profitably built trailers and troop-truck cabs for > Ford. > But on Jan. 26, 1956, New York met the first Checker > "A8," the taxi we all loved. At 200 inches long, it > was more compact than the 224-inch cabs in use, yet > it was vastly more spacious. Checker production > hovered at 4,500 to 6,500 cars a year through the > 60's and 70's. Various engines by Continental, > Chevrolet and Chrysler were used. The general public > could buy its own version of the Checker, called the > Superba, which in 1961 was renamed the Marathon. In > 1963, ambitious Checker announced a luxury Town > Custom Limousine, with all power accessories and a > partitioned driver compartment. Never hurts to try. > > Still, the rugged-riding Checker compared poorly > with softer passenger cars. New Yorkers knew it had > only one role, as the best taxicab in the world. > > Things went swimmingly until the 70's. Very > suddenly, serious gas crises made smaller cars with > more economical engines attractive, especially if a > threatened gas-guzzler tax took effect. And the > Checker's toughness had always made it more > expensive than other taxis. The graffiti was on the > wall. The end was nigh. > > The last Checker was built on July 13, 1982. By > 1993, only 10 New York Checkers remained. And in > these waning years, if you saw a Checker with its > hood up - you might - you'd see a length of chain > holding the front fenders together. After several > hundred thousand miles, Checkers went a bit > bow-legged. > It was the end of an era. Gone was the practice of > wearing your hat in a cab. (What's a hat?) Bid > farewell to the five-on-a-fare undergrad rides to > the Village. Say goodbye to taxicabs with room for > strollers in back and taxicabs with kids fighting to > sit on the jump seats. The Checker dwindled. > Dwindled. And then there were none. > > Ted West is a contributing editor of Car and Driver > magazine. > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cuhajg at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 12:35:24 2005 From: cuhajg at yahoo.com (George Cuhaj) Date: Sun Dec 18 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] King Cab NYTimes article and exhibition at Parsons In-Reply-To: <8C7D1FAA73522D3-118-3EAB@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20051218173524.60355.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings Checkerheads: The NY Times article today is the second which partly refers to the current Parsons Exhibtion on view till mid-January. If you are in the NYC area, you should make it a point to see the exhibition, the hours are extensive, it is free, and I am told that there is also a booklet available. An earlier NY Times article about the exhibition, as well as the exhibition itself will be a feature of the Spring 2006 Issue (April) of the Checkerboard News. George Cuhaj Editor Checkerboard News __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jasalley78749 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 12:46:19 2005 From: jasalley78749 at yahoo.com (James Alley) Date: Sun Dec 18 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] Kathryn Bassett sent you this eBay item: 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates (#4597428162) In-Reply-To: <20051218155636.30751.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051218174619.99585.qmail@web53313.mail.yahoo.com> I bought some of these last year, last time he put some up for sale. Don't know what I'll ever do with them. Maybe I could mat and frame them in the hallway??? Mine appear to be pretty old, since all the VINs start with A10- Kinda different. James in Austin 1973 A-12 --- Tod Gemuese wrote: > Whoa... the interesting thing in that item is the > "These came with the machine that stamped them"... > Does this mean Checker Motors is liquidating > some/all > of their mothballed Checker production line? > > - Luke > > --- "eBay Member: kathryn@bassett.net" > wrote: > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > kathrynbassett sent you this eBay item. > > > > Personal message: > > I saw this on eBay and thought you might be > > interested. > > > > > > View this Item on eBay at > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4597428162&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > 4 Checker Motors Fire Wall Plates > > Item number: 4597428162 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Seller: the_studtmans(4121) > > Positive Feedback: 99.9% > > Member since May-10-00 in United States > > Current bid: US $3.58 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Time left: 1 days 15 hours > > 7-day listing > > Ends Dec-19-0513:46:20 PST > > > > > > Item location: Allegan, MI > > United States > > Ships to: Worldwide > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > These came with the machine that stamped them, > > from the Checker Company in Kalamazoo. I think > that > > they had something to do with setting up the > > machine. They all have stamps on the serial # > line, > > but they have different numbers of digits, and one > > has mostly dashes. One of them has stamps on the > > motor no. line, the trans line, and the axel line > > also. They measure 3" x 5". We will combine > > auctions/store purchaces to save money on > shipping, > > when possible.If you are a winning bidder and > > haven't received an invoice within 24 hours of the > > end of an auction, please let me know. I will try > > another means of contacting you. I will figure > > shipping for international winners and winners of > > multiple auctions, also within 24 hours. > > > > Please email any questions. > > We must have an actual street address for UPS > > deliveries. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jasalley78749 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 12:52:51 2005 From: jasalley78749 at yahoo.com (James Alley) Date: Sun Dec 18 12:52:51 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] King Cab In-Reply-To: <8C7D1FAA73522D3-118-3EAB@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20051218175252.51416.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> What a great article. I guess the reference to Mr Markin loosing the company for a while in the 30's refers to the period when the vehicle on the front of this months Checker Newsletter was made. What a company, what a man. James in Austin 1973 Checker A-12 1993 Award 727 Travel Trailer (being different can be fun) --- dbronx@aol.com wrote: > This article appears in Sunday's New York Times: > > By TED WEST > NEW YORK, Dec. 18, 1984 - You're late. The Checker > cab you hail lurches to the curb, brakes squealing > like a throttled pullet. You reach for the trademark > stripe of black-and-white checkers on its yellow > doors and climb in. Slamming the door shut makes a > bucket-of-bolts clatter that goes on like an echo in > a box canyon. The back seat is way back there, a > short stroll from the door. You pass the two "jump > seats," folded into the floor. They look ravaged, > though rarely have you seen them used. > Maybe it was a 60's thing. > > You slump down on the broad, featureless back seat > and worry. (You're still late.) You give no thought > to the chasm between you and the Checker's signature > "Life-Guard" metal and plexiglass partition. It's > there for the driver's protection, not yours. And no > recorded message from Al Jolson implores you to > fasten your seat belt. What seat belt? In a violent > stop, you'll reach peak velocity just as you meet > the "Life-Guard" partition, teeth first. > > And yet, and yet. ... For nearly 50 years, since > 1956, the Checker Marathon cab has been a New York > emblem. It hasn't rumbled down the city's streets > for years, yet its hallmark checker motif still > looms large at an exhibition on the New York cab of > the future, being held through Jan. 15 at Parsons > the New School of Design. > > Why such staying power in New York memories? The > Checker cab was as New York as Fiorello La Guardia's > grin. Sure, there were a few Checkers plying the > streets of Chicago and other cities aspiring to > greatness - but who asked? Before the Checker, > various humdrum 50's family sedans - Chevrolet > Delrays, Plymouth Savoys and such - were auditioned, > but they were no match for Manhattan's rugged > realities. New York demanded a taxi that was nothing > but a taxi, a taxi built like a Walker Bulldog > medium tank. The Checker made its debut, and it was > love at first bounce. > > As if to underscore its unique suitability, the > Checker looked like no other vehicle, and Detroit's > automakers worked hard to keep it that way. It had > four headlamps and a big, gaping chrome grille like > a frozen automotive rendering of "The Scream." It > functioned differently, too, sending a simple > message: "I carry five fares - no other cab can. > Period." If you numbered fewer than five (and you > did), a Checker offered vast room to rattle around > in, its suspension banging and slamming, taking note > of every pavement paint stripe, pebble and pothole > along the way. > > To gentle souls from Topeka, this all sounds awful. > Yet I, like many New Yorkers, would give anything > for one more full-throttle Checker cab ramble up > Madison Avenue, clattering around the back like a > ball bearing in a blender. > > That's impossible, of course. Six years ago today, > on Dec. 18, 1999, the last Checker to give a rider a > Manhattan tumble was sold in an auction at > Sotheby's. That final Checker cab, owned by Earl > Johnson since 1978, had logged 994,050 New York > miles, about 40 times around the world. The cab was > auctioned for $134,500. Mr. Johnson, who remembered > paying $9,000 for it new, retired to Montego Bay, > Jamaica. > > Depending on the state of New York City's finances, > the fate of a taxicab here could be cruel. In the > near-bankrupt 70's, a drive down pockmarked Second > Avenue was like driving down the Grand Canyon. By > comparison, today's playing surface is bowling-alley > smooth. Nonetheless, since 1956, feast or famine, > the beloved Checker cab had taken every blow New > York dealt - and delivered it straight to the > consumer. > > It took a very special vehicle to approach one > million New York miles. That gritty vehicle arose > from decades of trial, error and worse. The man most > responsible was a Russian immigrant, Morris Markin, > of Smolensk. He arrived in the United States in 1913 > with $2 in his pocket. The urban taxicab business > was in its infancy when Mr. Markin settled in > Chicago. By 1922, somewhat miraculously, he owned > the Checker Cab Manufacturing Company. Taxi wars > eliminated company after company, and when the dust > settled, Checker emerged with only one major > competitor, Yellow Cab of Chicago, owned by John > Hertz. Yes, that Hertz. > > In 1923, Mr. Markin moved Checker taxi construction > to Kalamazoo, Mich. At the time, 600 Checkers were > on New York streets. In 1930, Checker introduced its > eye-catching Series "M" cab, boasting flashy flared > fenders, a high, narrow grille, rectangular > headlights, wheel covers that were smooth cones - > and rear seat cushions filled with down! > > Each time a fare got out, the driver reached back > with a special paddle to fluff up the down for > arriving nobility. > > During the Depression, Mr. Markin lost, then > regained control of Checker. Business improved > gradually. By the late 30's, 18,000 Checkers were > plying the nation's biggest cities. Along the way, > Mr. Markin brought all nine of his brothers and > sisters from Russia to America. > > During World War II, Checker patriotically and > profitably built trailers and troop-truck cabs for > Ford. > But on Jan. 26, 1956, New York met the first Checker > "A8," the taxi we all loved. At 200 inches long, it > was more compact than the 224-inch cabs in use, yet > it was vastly more spacious. Checker production > hovered at 4,500 to 6,500 cars a year through the > 60's and 70's. Various engines by Continental, > Chevrolet and Chrysler were used. The general public > could buy its own version of the Checker, called the > Superba, which in 1961 was renamed the Marathon. In > 1963, ambitious Checker announced a luxury Town > Custom Limousine, with all power accessories and a > partitioned driver compartment. Never hurts to try. > > Still, the rugged-riding Checker compared poorly > with softer passenger cars. New Yorkers knew it had > only one role, as the best taxicab in the world. > > Things went swimmingly until the 70's. Very > suddenly, serious gas crises made smaller cars with > more economical engines attractive, especially if a > threatened gas-guzzler tax took effect. And the > Checker's toughness had always made it more > expensive than other taxis. The graffiti was on the > wall. The end was nigh. > > The last Checker was built on July 13, 1982. By > 1993, only 10 New York Checkers remained. And in > these waning years, if you saw a Checker with its > hood up - you might - you'd see a length of chain > holding the front fenders together. After several > hundred thousand miles, Checkers went a bit > bow-legged. > It was the end of an era. Gone was the practice of > wearing your hat in a cab. (What's a hat?) Bid > farewell to the five-on-a-fare undergrad rides to > the Village. Say goodbye to taxicabs with room for > strollers in back and taxicabs with kids fighting to > sit on the jump seats. The Checker dwindled. > Dwindled. And then there were none. > > Ted West is a contributing editor of Car and Driver > magazine. > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Jhleightonjr at cs.com Sun Dec 18 16:05:45 2005 From: Jhleightonjr at cs.com (Jhleightonjr@cs.com) Date: Sun Dec 18 16:06:00 2005 Subject: [Checker-l] remove me from mailing list Message-ID: <230.3eafdb9.30d72929@cs.com> How can I get removed from the mailing list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20051218/9820bb88/attachment.htm From mryszka at filmschool.lodz.pl Sun Dec 18 18:48:29 2005 From: mryszka at filmschool.lodz.pl (Maciek) Date: Sun Dec 18 19:26:02 2005 Subject: Odp: [Checker-l] King Cab References: <8C7D1FAA73522D3-118-3EAB@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c60432$a9f63a40$e4fa4dd5@n5l1d1> Great article. Great cars and symbol of New York City. That is why I am restoring my '82 A-11 and going to finish it to be replica of NYC taxi. My tribute to this icon of civilisation. Also I am in hurry because in the next year is the 30th anniversary of release motion picture "Taxi Driver". Best regards, Maciek from Poland ----- Original Message ----- From: dbronx@aol.com To: checker@textfiles.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: [Checker-l] King Cab This article appears in Sunday's New York Times: By TED WEST NEW YORK, Dec. 18, 1984 - You're late. The Checker cab you hail lurches to the curb, brakes squealing like a throttled pullet. You reach for the trademark stripe of black-and-white checkers on its yellow doors and climb in. Slamming the door shut makes a bucket-of-bolts clatter that goes on like an echo in a box canyon. The back seat is way back there, a short stroll from the door. You pass the two "jump seats," folded into the floor. They look ravaged, though rarely have you seen them used. Maybe it was a 60's thing. You slump down on the broad, featureless back seat and worry. (You're still late.) You give no thought to the chasm between you and the Checker's signature "Life-Guard" metal and plexiglass partition. It's there for the driver's protection, not yours. And no recorded message from Al Jolson implores you to fasten your seat belt. What seat belt? In a violent stop, you'll reach peak velocity just as you meet the "Life-Guard" partition, teeth first. And yet, and yet. ... For nearly 50 years, since 1956, the Checker Marathon cab has been a New York emblem. It hasn't rumbled down the city's streets for years, yet its hallmark checker motif still looms large at an exhibition on the New York cab of the future, being held through Jan. 15 at Parsons the New School of Design. Why such staying power in New York memories? The Checker cab was as New York as Fiorello La Guardia's grin. Sure, there were a few Checkers plying the streets of Chicago and other cities aspiring to greatness - but who asked? Before the Checker, various humdrum 50's family sedans - Chevrolet Delrays, Plymouth Savoys and such - were auditioned, but they were no match for Manhattan's rugged realities. New York demanded a taxi that was nothing but a taxi, a taxi built like a Walker Bulldog medium tank. The Checker made its debut, and it was love at first bounce. As if to underscore its unique suitability, the Checker looked like no other vehicle, and Detroit's automakers worked hard to keep it that way. It had four headlamps and a big, gaping chrome grille like a frozen automotive rendering of "The Scream." It functioned differently, too, sending a simple message: "I carry five fares - no other cab can. Period." If you numbered fewer than five (and you did), a Checker offered vast room to rattle around in, its suspension banging and slamming, taking note of every pavement paint stripe, pebble and pothole along the way. To gentle souls from Topeka, this all sounds awful. Yet I, like many New Yorkers, would give anything for one more full-throttle Checker cab ramble up Madison Avenue, clattering around the back like a ball bearing in a blender. That's impossible, of course. Six years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1999, the last Checker to give a rider a Manhattan tumble was sold in an auction at Sotheby's. That final Checker cab, owned by Earl Johnson since 1978, had logged 994,050 New York miles, about 40 times around the world. The cab was auctioned for $134,500. Mr. Johnson, who remembered paying $9,000 for it new, retired to Montego Bay, Jamaica. Depending on the state of New York City's finances, the fate of a taxicab here could be cruel. In the near-bankrupt 70's, a drive down pockmarked Second Avenue was like driving down the Grand Canyon. By comparison, today's playing surface is bowling-alley smooth. Nonetheless, since 1956, feast or famine, the beloved Checker cab had taken every blow New York dealt - and delivered it straight to the consumer. It took a very special vehicle to approach one million New York miles. That gritty vehicle arose from decades of trial, error and worse. The man most responsible was a Russian immigrant, Morris Markin, of Smolensk. He arrived in the United States in 1913 with $2 in his pocket. The urban taxicab business was in its infancy when Mr. Markin settled in Chicago. By 1922, somewhat miraculously, he owned the Checker Cab Manufacturing Company. Taxi wars eliminated company after company, and when the dust settled, Checker emerged with only one major competitor, Yellow Cab of Chicago, owned by John Hertz. Yes, that Hertz. In 1923, Mr. Markin moved Checker taxi construction to Kalamazoo, Mich. At the time, 600 Checkers were on New York streets. In 1930, Checker introduced its eye-catching Series "M" cab, boasting flashy flared fenders, a high, narrow grille, rectangular headlights, wheel covers that were smooth cones - and rear seat cushions filled with down! Each time a fare got out, the driver reached back with a special paddle to fluff up the down for arriving nobility. During the Depression, Mr. Markin lost, then regained control of Checker. Business improved gradually. By the late 30's, 18,000 Checkers were plying the nation's biggest cities. Along the way, Mr. Markin brought all nine of his brothers and sisters from Russia to America. During World War II, Checker patriotically and profitably built trailers and troop-truck cabs for Ford. But on Jan. 26, 1956, New York met the first Checker "A8," the taxi we all loved. At 200 inches long, it was more compact than the 224-inch cabs in use, yet it was vastly more spacious. Checker production hovered at 4,500 to 6,500 cars a year through the 60's and 70's. Various engines by Continental, Chevrolet and Chrysler were used. The general public could buy its own version of the Checker, called the Superba, which in 1961 was renamed the Marathon. In 1963, ambitious Checker announced a luxury Town Custom Limousine, with all power accessories and a partitioned driver compartment. Never hurts to try. Still, the rugged-riding Checker compared poorly with softer passenger cars. New Yorkers knew it had only one role, as the best taxicab in the world. Things went swimmingly until the 70's. Very suddenly, serious gas crises made smaller cars with more economical engines attractive, especially if a threatened gas-guzzler tax took effect. And the Checker's toughness had always made it more expensive than other taxis. The graffiti was on the wall. The end was nigh. The last Checker was built on July 13, 1982. By 1993, only 10 New York Checkers remained. And in these waning years, if you saw a Checker with its hood up - you might - you'd see a length of chain holding the front fenders together. After several hundred thousand miles, Checkers went a bit bow-legged. It was the end of an era. Gone was the practice of wearing your hat in a cab. (What's a hat?) Bid farewell to the five-on-a-fare undergrad rides to the Village. Say goodbye to taxicabs with room for strollers in back and taxicabs with kids fighting to sit on the jump seats. The Checker dwindled. Dwindled. And then there were none. 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