From permanentjaun at hotmail.com Thu Jan 5 13:39:25 2006 From: permanentjaun at hotmail.com (Matthew Will) Date: Thu Jan 5 13:39:17 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Message-ID: Hello all, I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy 283 3 speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a few days ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As soon as I put the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a vibration in the clutch pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod of the clutch pedal. I depressed the pedal a couple more times and everything seemed alright. I could still get into and out of every gear. I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. Then with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble arose. I stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted through first and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a wall. The shifter would not go into third. I could not get it out of the neutral position. No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into third. I had to drive the last half mile in second. If I tried to shift it into third any harder I probably would have snapped the shifter. When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around the block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times eventually I could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I bought a new spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled spring about 5 inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch pedal linkage rod. When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere that this spring would have attached to keep the linkage smooth shifting. I don't see any special holes on the linkage rod, and the hook end that snapped off is on the floor so that is no help. My questions are: 1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? 2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in advance. Matt From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Thu Jan 5 17:47:10 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Thu Jan 5 17:44:38 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BDA1EE.6070001@insightbb.com> Matt, I just checked and the club does not currently have the manual section you need online. If you have access to a 63 shop manual, look on page 11-4. Let me know if you don't have one and I'll dig my personal copy out of the file cabinet, scan that section in and upload it to the club web site later tonight. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home Matthew Will wrote: > Hello all, > > I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy > 283 3 speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a > few days ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As > soon as I put the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a > vibration in the clutch pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod > of the clutch pedal. I depressed the pedal a couple more times and > everything seemed alright. I could still get into and out of every gear. > > I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. > Then with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble > arose. I stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted > through first and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a > wall. The shifter would not go into third. I could not get it out of > the neutral position. No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into > third. I had to drive the last half mile in second. If I tried to > shift it into third any harder I probably would have snapped the shifter. > > When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around > the block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times > eventually I could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I > bought a new spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled > spring about 5 inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch > pedal linkage rod. When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere > that this spring would have attached to keep the linkage smooth > shifting. I don't see any special holes on the linkage rod, and the > hook end that snapped off is on the floor so that is no help. > > My questions are: > 1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the > linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? > > 2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in > advance. Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > -- From jenkins.frames at juno.com Thu Jan 5 18:04:35 2006 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames@juno.com) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:06:22 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Message-ID: <20060105.150538.20213.312873@webmail13.lax.untd.com> Let's see if I can answer some of this. = The spring you speak of is to put a bias on the clutch linkage so that t= here is no feel of loosness when you out your foot on the clutch petal. = Without the spring the clutch petal would have aboit a quarter(1/4 or .2= 5) inch of free play when your foot was not on the petal. = Unless your clutch linkage has worn out the pivots the shifting problem = is not spring related. = If you canot shift from 2nd to 3rd then more than likely your problem is= in the transmission it's self. = You are going to live this. = At rest with the engine off and the clutch pushed to the floor. Can you = shift through all gears? Does the linkage make the transisiton from 1st to secod through netural?= Then from 2nd to 3rd? There are a couple of things going on, at the netural position there is = linkage to keep you from being able to select more thna one gear, this i= s at the end of the steering collum, If that wears it will "lock" you in= one gear. = Matt, a couple of questions at this time how mechanical are you? Are you comfortable working under the car? Do the above troubleshooting and then either e-mail me back or contact m= e off list and I will give you my nimber and I will try to talk you thro= ugh a few things to try. Good luck Arthur -- "Matthew Will" wrote: Hello all, I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy 28= 3 3 = speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a few days= = ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As soon as I p= ut = the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a vibration in the clut= ch = pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod of the clutch pedal. I = = depressed the pedal a couple more times and everything seemed alright. = I = could still get into and out of every gear. I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. The= n = with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble arose. = I = stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted through fir= st = and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a wall. The shifter= = would not go into third. I could not get it out of the neutral position= . = No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into third. I had to drive the = last = half mile in second. If I tried to shift it into third any harder I = probably would have snapped the shifter. When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around = the = block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times eventually I= = could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I bought a new = = spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled spring about 5 = inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch pedal linkage ro= d. = When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere that this spring would = have = attached to keep the linkage smooth shifting. I don't see any special h= oles = on the linkage rod, and the hook end that snapped off is on the floor so= = that is no help. My questions are: 1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the = linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? 2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in advanc= e. = Matt _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Thu Jan 5 20:09:56 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Thu Jan 5 20:07:23 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch In-Reply-To: <43BDA1EE.6070001@insightbb.com> References: <43BDA1EE.6070001@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <43BDC364.2070408@insightbb.com> Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home From frank-parker at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 6 09:59:09 2006 From: frank-parker at sbcglobal.net (Frank J. Parker) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:59:07 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale In-Reply-To: <43BDC364.2070408@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <001001c612d1$c089f7d0$a398d145@Graphix> https://post.craigslist.org/manage/123078900/k8r8i -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:10 PM To: Checker Mailing List; permanentjaun@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From baggins at well.com Fri Jan 6 12:43:00 2006 From: baggins at well.com (baggins@well.com) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:42:52 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Message-ID: <200601061742.k06HgsoV020053@atlmta4.mycingular.net> John, The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? -----Original Message----- From: "Frank J. Parker" Subj: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:00 Size: 1K To: "'Checker Mailing List'" https://post.craigslist.org/manage/123078900/k8r8i -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:10 PM To: Checker Mailing List; permanentjaun@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From permanentjaun at hotmail.com Fri Jan 6 12:43:38 2006 From: permanentjaun at hotmail.com (Matthew Will) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:43:30 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch In-Reply-To: <20060105.150538.20213.312873@webmail13.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: The pedal actually is very taught. The only movement the pedal has is from left to right, but even then I have to intentionally move it so. When the car is off and parked I can shift through all gears as if everything was normal. It does not lock into any gear. I am very comfortable under my car. Although mainly body work, I did restore the car. John, could you please send me the scanned pages of the manual to my email directly? permanentjaun@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance. Matt >From: "jenkins.frames@juno.com" >Reply-To: Checker Mailing List >To: checker@textfiles.com >Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch >Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:04:35 GMT > >Let's see if I can answer some of this. >The spring you speak of is to put a bias on the clutch linkage so that >there is no feel of loosness when you out your foot on the clutch petal. >Without the spring the clutch petal would have aboit a quarter(1/4 or .25) >inch of free play when your foot was not on the petal. >Unless your clutch linkage has worn out the pivots the shifting problem is >not spring related. >If you canot shift from 2nd to 3rd then more than likely your problem is in >the transmission it's self. >You are going to live this. >At rest with the engine off and the clutch pushed to the floor. Can you >shift through all gears? >Does the linkage make the transisiton from 1st to secod through netural? >Then from 2nd to 3rd? >There are a couple of things going on, at the netural position there is >linkage to keep you from being able to select more thna one gear, this is >at the end of the steering collum, If that wears it will "lock" you in one >gear. > >Matt, a couple of questions at this time how mechanical are you? >Are you comfortable working under the car? > >Do the above troubleshooting and then either e-mail me back or contact me >off list and I will give you my nimber and I will try to talk you through a >few things to try. > >Good luck >Arthur > >-- "Matthew Will" wrote: >Hello all, > >I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy 283 3 >speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a few days >ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As soon as I put >the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a vibration in the clutch >pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod of the clutch pedal. I >depressed the pedal a couple more times and everything seemed alright. I >could still get into and out of every gear. > >I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. Then >with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble arose. I >stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted through first >and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a wall. The shifter >would not go into third. I could not get it out of the neutral position. >No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into third. I had to drive the >last >half mile in second. If I tried to shift it into third any harder I >probably would have snapped the shifter. > >When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around the >block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times eventually I >could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I bought a new >spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled spring about 5 >inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch pedal linkage rod. >When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere that this spring would >have >attached to keep the linkage smooth shifting. I don't see any special >holes >on the linkage rod, and the hook end that snapped off is on the floor so >that is no help. > >My questions are: >1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the >linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? > >2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in advance. >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! >Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. >Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From captunderdog at clearwire.net Fri Jan 6 13:04:29 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:04:30 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale In-Reply-To: <200601061742.k06HgsoV020053@atlmta4.mycingular.net> References: <200601061742.k06HgsoV020053@atlmta4.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <43BEB12D.1030906@clearwire.net> Whattya mean giving them away? They don't make them anymore, do they? If they were giving them away, I would haul one out here to the Idaho Territory and set it up. God Bless. Walt baggins@well.com wrote: >John, >The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? > > > > From keith at panelwrights.com Fri Jan 6 13:10:22 2006 From: keith at panelwrights.com (Keith Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:10:13 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale In-Reply-To: <200601061742.k06HgsoV020053@atlmta4.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <001301c612ec$766c2ae0$6601a8c0@Incubus> I'd take one too and bring it down to NC! Keith Nelson 919-889-0233 -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of baggins@well.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:43 AM To: Checker Mailing List; 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale John, The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? -----Original Message----- From: "Frank J. Parker" Subj: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:00 Size: 1K To: "'Checker Mailing List'" https://post.craigslist.org/manage/123078900/k8r8i -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:10 PM To: Checker Mailing List; permanentjaun@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From baggins at well.com Fri Jan 6 13:23:00 2006 From: baggins at well.com (baggins@well.com) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:22:56 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Message-ID: <200601061823.k06IMwcq027855@wcmta3.mycingular.net> There is a bunch at Quantico. Free. They want to build new housing but preserve the Lustrons if possible -----Original Message----- From: Walt Taufen Subj: Re: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:06 Size: 439 bytes To: Checker Mailing List Whattya mean giving them away? They don't make them anymore, do they? If they were giving them away, I would haul one out here to the Idaho Territory and set it up. God Bless. Walt baggins@well.com wrote: >John, >The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? > > > > _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Fri Jan 6 13:53:00 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:50:42 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: Lustron In-Reply-To: <200601061823.k06IMwcq027855@wcmta3.mycingular.net> References: <200601061823.k06IMwcq027855@wcmta3.mycingular.net> Message-ID: <43BEBC8C.2070706@insightbb.com> Most the clips were "one way" slide in locking type. Hard to disassemble easily. Just remember, if you take one apart you have a 12 ton jigsaw puzzle with maybe a touch of toxic waste. I know the furnace had an asbestos gasket when the original "blow torch" burner assembly fit into the housing. Of course, 99% of those furnaces have been replaced with a modern one. And, depending on when they were built, some of them *probably* have some long strand asbestos board (the materials list referred to it as "cement board") as the top layer of the sealed heating system chamber. Perfectly safe in place and perfectly safe as long as you don't cut / powder it. I saw one M02 that had a 80 - 90 foot pine tree fall on the bedroom end of it. Got pictures somewhere of it. Bent about 4 roof trusses and skewed the house out of square. Any other house, it would have collapsed, killing the occupants. Insurance paid off as a total loss. When I took the pictures the demolition crew was just cutting the cement board out with a Sawsall ... I didn't spend a lot of time walking inside the frame where they were doing that. John baggins@well.com wrote: > There is a bunch at Quantico. > Free. > They want to build new housing but preserve the Lustrons if possible > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walt Taufen > Subj: Re: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale > Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:06 > Size: 439 bytes > To: Checker Mailing List > > Whattya mean giving them away? They don't make them anymore, do they? If > they were giving them away, I would haul one out here to the Idaho > Territory and set it up. > > God Bless. > Walt > > baggins@well.com wrote: > > >>John, >>The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? >> From captunderdog at clearwire.net Fri Jan 6 21:11:36 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Fri Jan 6 21:12:03 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: Lustron In-Reply-To: <43BEBC8C.2070706@insightbb.com> References: <200601061823.k06IMwcq027855@wcmta3.mycingular.net> <43BEBC8C.2070706@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <43BF2358.4060605@clearwire.net> Bummer, I'm not in a position to score a Lustron. I went to Chandler Arizona and took down the old Varga airplane mfg building and took it to Montana. It was a 120' X 130' steel clearspan, we had it down and on three trucks in 9 days. It was a little more complicated to reassemble it. I wish I could do the Lustron, but alas it's not in the cards. God Bless. Walt john_weinhoeft wrote: > Most the clips were "one way" slide in locking type. Hard to > disassemble easily. Just remember, if you take one apart you have a 12 > ton jigsaw puzzle with maybe a touch of toxic waste. > > I know the furnace had an asbestos gasket when the original "blow > torch" burner assembly fit into the housing. Of course, 99% of those > furnaces have been replaced with a modern one. > > And, depending on when they were built, some of them *probably* have > some long strand asbestos board (the materials list referred to it as > "cement board") as the top layer of the sealed heating system chamber. > Perfectly safe in place and perfectly safe as long as you don't cut / > powder it. > > I saw one M02 that had a 80 - 90 foot pine tree fall on the bedroom > end of it. Got pictures somewhere of it. Bent about 4 roof trusses and > skewed the house out of square. Any other house, it would have > collapsed, killing the occupants. > > Insurance paid off as a total loss. When I took the pictures the > demolition crew was just cutting the cement board out with a Sawsall > ... I didn't spend a lot of time walking inside the frame where they > were doing that. > > John > > From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Fri Jan 6 21:42:26 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Fri Jan 6 21:39:49 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: Lustron In-Reply-To: <43BF2358.4060605@clearwire.net> References: <200601061823.k06IMwcq027855@wcmta3.mycingular.net> <43BEBC8C.2070706@insightbb.com> <43BF2358.4060605@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <43BF2A92.5060803@insightbb.com> Well, if someone does decide to pick one or more up, I know where a set of the original assembly blueprints for an M03 (3 bedroom) were a couple of years ago. Suspect they are still there with the house even though I haven't heard form the owners for several years. John Walt Taufen wrote: > Bummer, I'm not in a position to score a Lustron. I went to Chandler > Arizona and took down the old Varga airplane mfg building and took it to > Montana. It was a 120' X 130' steel clearspan, we had it down and on > three trucks in 9 days. It was a little more complicated to reassemble > it. I wish I could do the Lustron, but alas it's not in the cards. > > God Bless. > Walt > > > john_weinhoeft wrote: > >> Most the clips were "one way" slide in locking type. Hard to >> disassemble easily. Just remember, if you take one apart you have a 12 >> ton jigsaw puzzle with maybe a touch of toxic waste. >> >> I know the furnace had an asbestos gasket when the original "blow >> torch" burner assembly fit into the housing. Of course, 99% of those >> furnaces have been replaced with a modern one. >> >> And, depending on when they were built, some of them *probably* have >> some long strand asbestos board (the materials list referred to it as >> "cement board") as the top layer of the sealed heating system chamber. >> Perfectly safe in place and perfectly safe as long as you don't cut / >> powder it. >> >> I saw one M02 that had a 80 - 90 foot pine tree fall on the bedroom >> end of it. Got pictures somewhere of it. Bent about 4 roof trusses and >> skewed the house out of square. Any other house, it would have >> collapsed, killing the occupants. >> >> Insurance paid off as a total loss. When I took the pictures the >> demolition crew was just cutting the cement board out with a Sawsall >> ... I didn't spend a lot of time walking inside the frame where they >> were doing that. >> >> John From JAVONPLI at southernco.com Sat Jan 7 02:25:14 2006 From: JAVONPLI at southernco.com (VonPlinsky, Jonathan A.) Date: Sat Jan 7 02:25:22 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Message-ID: Anyone got a contact number about the LUSTRON homes? Jonathan VonPlinsky A11 in Augusta -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Keith Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 PM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale I'd take one too and bring it down to NC! Keith Nelson 919-889-0233 -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of baggins@well.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:43 AM To: Checker Mailing List; 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale John, The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? -----Original Message----- From: "Frank J. Parker" Subj: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:00 Size: 1K To: "'Checker Mailing List'" https://post.craigslist.org/manage/123078900/k8r8i -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:10 PM To: Checker Mailing List; permanentjaun@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From baggins at well.com Sun Jan 8 20:02:00 2006 From: baggins at well.com (baggins@well.com) Date: Sun Jan 8 20:02:26 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Message-ID: <200601090102.k0912VOh014346@atlmta4.mycingular.net> lustronsatquantico.com? -----Original Message----- From: "VonPlinsky, Jonathan A." Subj: RE: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 23:25 Size: 2K To: "Checker Mailing List" Anyone got a contact number about the LUSTRON homes? Jonathan VonPlinsky A11 in Augusta -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Keith Nelson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 PM To: 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale I'd take one too and bring it down to NC! Keith Nelson 919-889-0233 -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of baggins@well.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:43 AM To: Checker Mailing List; 'Checker Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale John, The Marine Corps is giving away Lustron Homes in VA. Need a spare? -----Original Message----- From: "Frank J. Parker" Subj: [Checker-l] RE: For Sale Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:00 Size: 1K To: "'Checker Mailing List'" https://post.craigslist.org/manage/123078900/k8r8i -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:10 PM To: Checker Mailing List; permanentjaun@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Matt, I just uploaded section 11, clutch and linkage, from the 1963 shop manual to the club web site in the repair manual section. Page 1 has instructions on disassembly / reassembly of the pedal and linkage. It also has adjustment instructions. The diagram it refers to is on page 4 as figure # 3. In that diagram, it shows the return spring as part # 1 and an "anchor" hook as part number # 2 plus the dash connection for the other end. Like Arthur, I'm inclined to think you might have a second problem also but this will let you get the return spring in the right place and eliminate it as a potential cause of your problem. John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From TPGdirop at aol.com Wed Jan 11 16:05:14 2006 From: TPGdirop at aol.com (TPGdirop@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:11:55 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Preston, Chuck" Subject: Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:29:33 -0500 Size: 60532 Url: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060111/11dede16/attachment-0001.eml From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Thu Jan 12 11:38:46 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:36:08 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> References: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> Message-ID: <43C68616.7080304@insightbb.com> No surprise there; just watch the idiots relearning to drive on snow every winter. People are no longer taught to drive by taking a car out in an empty lot and getting it into skids, etc. and then learning to control it. Even my kid thought I was nuts when I tried to teach him some of what I know ... but him and my wife would be in trouble with a rear wheel drive is slippery conditions which is why they both had FWD cars. If you regularly read the automotive magazines, some of the new cars (especially the high dollar sports cars) come with tunable / selectable computerized handling settings, including turning everything off. The test results in the various modes are interesting; even professional race car drivers benefit from the assistive technology. TPGdirop@aol.com wrote: > What happens when you put someone (who is used to current automobile > safety technology) in a 1990 car? > > Particularly interesting that folks forgot how to "pump their brakes." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... > From: > "Preston, Chuck" > Date: > Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:29:33 -0500 > To: > "James B. Morgan, Jr." , "Fred Balling" > , "Garry Brown" , > "Petranoff, Bill" , > > > Reminds me of my MG?which is a huge step up from my ?23 Buick! > > > > Times Online > > > > January 08, 2006 > > > Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... > Many drivers are blithely unaware of the hi-tech safety devices fitted > to modern cars that silently keep them from danger. We put four > volunteers in a 1990 car to see what happens when you take them away. > James Luckhurst and Emma Smith of The Sunday Times stood well back > > > > Our guinea pigs Simon Chester, Eleanor Ball, Ceri Jones and Jean Curran > prepare to forsake their new cars for a taste of old technology (Simon > Stuart-Miller) > > > > Twenty-first century cars come with an armoury of safety systems, from > ABS (antilock braking) to Sips (side impact protection system), ESP > (electronic stability program) and the dangerous-sounding Whips > (whiplash protection system). Nonetheless, fewer than 30% of those > questioned in a recent survey by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and > Traders had heard of ABS, even though it is now standard on all new > mass-produced cars. Only 5% were versed in the benefits of ESP. Drivers > increasingly take for granted that their car will meet high standards of > safety. > > A campaign by European governments and competition between manufacturers > have led to a steady increase in the number of gadgets and systems to > warn drivers of dangers and prevent them losing control of their > vehicles. Recent innovations include lane departure warning systems, > blind spot protection, which issues a visual or audible warning when an > object enters the driver?s blind spot, and brakes that are applied > automatically if sensors tell the car it is in danger of colliding with > an object ahead. > > But as cars get better at keeping out of trouble some experts worry > drivers are getting worse ? cocooned from danger, unaware how fast they > are going or how slippery the road is, and less aware of other vehicles. > The Sunday Times decided to put four motorists to the test to see how > they would cope in a car with no ?active? safety features at all. With > an expert sitting alongside them we would assess how well they reacted > to hazards and difficult conditions without the unseen protection of a > battery of electronic guardian angels. > > > > > > Our guinea pigs were Jean Curran, 60, a social worker and Skoda Fabia > driver from Wargrave, Berkshire; Ceri Jones, 57, a dentist and Volvo V70 > owner from Cardiff; Simon Chester, 30, a Subaru Impreza owner and buyer > for Pizza Express, from East Yorkshire; and Eleanor Ball, 30, a supply > chain manager for Dixons and owner of a Honda S2000 sports car, who is > also from East Yorkshire. > > To test their skills we brought along a 15-year-old BMW 3-series devoid > of every modern safety feature and met them at the Transport Research > Laboratory in Crowthorne, Berkshire, to put them ? and the cars ? to the > test. Here are the results. > > TEST 1: BRAKING > > Before ABS, drivers were taught the technique of ?cadence braking? ? > applying and releasing pressure on the brake pedal to prevent the wheels > from locking. Would our drivers be able to manage it? Graham Griffiths > of Ultimate Car Control (www.ultimatecarcontrol.com), an advanced driver > training school based in Crowthorne, was our expert. He used traffic > cones to simulate three lanes of a motorway, with one stationary vehicle > in the middle lane. As the drivers travelled towards the obstacle at > 50mph they had to imagine a car ahead had stopped suddenly and, on > Griffiths?s command, they were to swerve into the left or right-hand > lane, braking at the same time to avoid slamming into any other vehicle. > > Each of our four drivers began by completing the test in the car they > usually drive, all of which were fitted with ABS systems. Once they were > familiar with the test we put them behind the wheel of the older BMW. > First to take the challenge was Curran. She admitted she thought ABS was > ?something like an Asbo? and had no idea that it enabled her to stop > under hard braking without the wheels locking. > > She may not have known what ABS was but she missed it when it wasn?t > there. Griffiths had added a little water to the surface to reduce grip > and the results were predictable. The wheels locked and Curran could no > longer steer the car out of danger. The BMW ploughed straight on into > the cones, leaving a trail of rubber tyre marks. > > The other drivers didn?t fare much better. Before the test Chester and > Ball had confidently rated their driving ability as 9 out of 10 and 8 > out of 10 respectively. But even these self-confessed petrolheads were > unable to control their cars without the aid of ABS. Had this been a > real-life situation on a busy motorway, they would have ploughed into > other traffic and probably caused a multiple pile-up. > > TEST 2: STEERING > > This test was designed to show the effectiveness of a whole variety of > innovative stability features. Ball?s Honda S2000, for example, comes > with an aluminium x-bone frame, which links the wheels diagonally to > increase rigidity, as well as torque-sensing limited slip differential > (LSD), which will automatically reduce torque if it senses the car is > about to skid. > > Chester?s Impreza is four-wheel drive and also has LSD to make sure > power is divided equally between each side of the vehicle and again stop > skidding. Its yaw sensors prevent the car sliding from side to side and > counteract over or understeer on sharp bends. > > Jones?s V70 has the most advanced system. It comes with DSTC ? a dynamic > stability and traction control system ? to ensure it maintains grip on > the road and the driver remains in control, even on wet surfaces or > around sharp bends. If one or both driven wheels start to spin, torque > is reduced until they regain their grip. The system also increases > stability around bends and reduces understeer when pulling out of them > and counteracts skidding before it starts by constantly comparing the > direction of the car with the steering wheel movements. If there is any > tendency to slide, the brakes are instantly applied to one or more > wheels as necessary to retain control. > > For this test, Griffiths laid out a line of cones for a simple slalom. > The drivers were told to drive as fast as they dared through the five > cones, turn around and come back. In the new cars, all the drivers found > the task relatively straightforward. The cars gripped the road as they > weaved through the slalom. > > But when trying to repeat the test in the old BMW the drivers all ran > into trouble. They swung about wildly and Chester was soon heading into > a 360-degree spin. The others just managed to keep control of the car > but only by creeping round the cones at a snail?s pace. ?The BMW was > completely raw,? said a shaken Chester, after the test. ?It was > impossible to keep in line. It was like driving a bus.? > > THE VERDICT > > After four hours of driving, our volunteers were surprised at just how > much they relied on modern safety systems and certainly left Crowthorne > with no desire to return to the good old days of 1990. > > Even allowing for the fact that the BMW?s technology was 15 years out of > date Griffiths was shocked by our drivers? lack of safety awareness. > ?This just goes to show that the boffins can come up with new safety > ideas and the marketing men can sell them to buyers but the truth is > that most drivers don?t understand them or how to drive to make the most > of them,? he said. > > ?This test also showed how far car design has come. Modern cars not only > have stability and traction control, they also have better tyres, better > suspension and overall dynamics. Technology has moved on and drivers > have been left behind.? > > > > THE INITIALS THAT SPELL HI-TECH HELP > > ABS (antilock braking system) > Stops the wheels locking under heavy braking, allowing the driver to > retain control and prevent skidding. As the wheels begin to lock up, > sensors release and reapply pressure at a rate of up to 12 times per > second. Now standard on all new mass-produced cars > > > > > > ACC (active/adaptive cruise control) > Maintains a safe distance between your car and the vehicle in front > using a radar device in the front grille. Automatically brakes or slows > the car down if it senses the car in front doing the same or increases > speed up to a pre-set limit > > AFL (adaptive forward lighting) > Headlamps that adjust with speed and steering angle to give a broader > spread of light and greater night visibility in all road conditions > > CBC (cornering brake control) > Makes the car easier to stop while cornering by applying different > levels of brake pressure to each wheel > > DDS (deflation detection system) > Sensors on each tyre valve detect loss of pressure, giving the driver an > early warning if the car suffers from a puncture or if the tyre > pressures are low > > EBA (emergency brake assist) > Adds extra force to the brakes when it senses you are braking in an > emergency to reduce stopping distances significantly > > EBD (electronic brake force distribution) > Adjusts brake force distribution to maintain optimum braking on all > wheels (compensating for weight transfer). Works in tandem with ABS and > helps prevent the rear wheels locking > > ESP (electronic stability program) > Helps prevent skidding by reducing engine power or braking an individual > wheel to regain control if slip is detected > > LKAS (lane-keeping assist system) > Honda?s system identifies the boundaries of the vehicle?s lane by > processing images from a camera mounted behind the windscreen. It then > provides the optimum steering torque to help keep the vehicle in the > centre of the lane. Volvo is developing a similar system called ?driver > alert? that will issue a warning if it senses the driver drifting off > course and will be introduced on some models later this year. > > Rops (rollover protection system) > This Volvo system incorporates a range of safety measures designed to > minimise the chance of rollover accidents and offer extra protection in > the event of the car turning over. It includes airbags that stay > inflated longer to allow for repeated rollovers and a reinforced steel > roof and pillars to prevent crumpling > > Sips (side impact protection system) > Introduced by Volvo in 1991, Sips is designed to absorb the force of a > side-impact collision. Its features include impact-protection bars in > the side doors and front seats that will move slightly sideways away > from the impact > > TCS (traction control system) > Progressively applies the brakes to a driven wheel that is losing grip, > may also retard the throttle to reduce power until it matches the > available grip. Helps to maintain grip on loose, wet or changing surfaces > > UCL (understeer control logic) > A system that operates on the front wheels, closing the throttle and > increasing brake pressure in situations where the nose of the car pushes > wide through corners > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker -- John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home From chad.elmore at cygnuspub.com Thu Jan 12 11:51:40 2006 From: chad.elmore at cygnuspub.com (Chad Elmore) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:53:27 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: <83A33F639D13E64AAD6E32C9A13B43EB039B855B@DOWEX.cygnuspub.com> Scary stuff. Not the least of it is the fact that 1990 cars seem so old -- they're 16... Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. They've evolved like washing machines. But not only are the drivers unaware about what makes this new-fangled technology work, so are many of the once-trusted technicians who today have no idea how to troubleshoot modern machines when something does go wrong. Chad From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Thu Jan 12 12:03:32 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:01:37 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <83A33F639D13E64AAD6E32C9A13B43EB039B855B@DOWEX.cygnuspub.com> References: <83A33F639D13E64AAD6E32C9A13B43EB039B855B@DOWEX.cygnuspub.com> Message-ID: <43C68BE4.2090108@insightbb.com> You're right. Shade tree mechanic doesn't cut it anymore unless he has a shop manual and a VOM ... and even with that, all you can do is narrow it down to several guesses. Chad Elmore wrote: > Scary stuff. Not the least of it is the fact that 1990 cars seem so old > -- they're 16... > > Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. > They've evolved like washing machines. > > But not only are the drivers unaware about what makes this new-fangled > technology work, so are many of the once-trusted technicians who today > have no idea how to troubleshoot modern machines when something does go > wrong. > > Chad From Sgalano179 at cs.com Thu Jan 12 12:15:31 2006 From: Sgalano179 at cs.com (Sgalano179@cs.com) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:15:25 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: There is an issue here that probably won't be realized for years to come. You can no longer take one of these new computerized machines to a corner mechanic's shop for regular maintenance. He doesn't have the specialized test equipment or training to ensure that the car is in good repair. Those of us who take our newer vehicles to the dealership where it was purchased for maintenance deal with two concerns: 1) The price for regular 3,000 maintenance has increased 5 fold in order to ensure that all the new systems' integrity are checked and 2) We have to trust that the dealership is putting a qualified mechanic on the job who has had the up to date training necessary to know what he's looking at and for. Fortunately, I have a great relationship with my dealership's maintenance department, but woe to the young lady who doesn't know what questions to ask. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060112/2749e298/attachment.htm From chad.elmore at cygnuspub.com Thu Jan 12 12:20:48 2006 From: chad.elmore at cygnuspub.com (Chad Elmore) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:22:32 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: <83A33F639D13E64AAD6E32C9A13B43EB039B85BA@DOWEX.cygnuspub.com> Very true. My local mechanic is a great guy and an ace on anything built before 1986...beyond that you have to plan on taking the newer car back a couple of times before it's fixed. Although I've seen the technician at the local Ford dealer shrug his shoulders too many times with electrical problems on a 2002 Escape, only to send us home with the same problem. It pays to shop around for a technician who's young enough to operate a computer, and smart enough to understand how it works. Gone are the days where these problems were as simple as a loose connection on the firewall. Chad ________________________________ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Sgalano179@cs.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:16 AM To: checker@textfiles.com Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... There is an issue here that probably won't be realized for years to come. You can no longer take one of these new computerized machines to a corner mechanic's shop for regular maintenance. He doesn't have the specialized test equipment or training to ensure that the car is in good repair. Those of us who take our newer vehicles to the dealership where it was purchased for maintenance deal with two concerns: 1) The price for regular 3,000 maintenance has increased 5 fold in order to ensure that all the new systems' integrity are checked and 2) We have to trust that the dealership is putting a qualified mechanic on the job who has had the up to date training necessary to know what he's looking at and for. Fortunately, I have a great relationship with my dealership's maintenance department, but woe to the young lady who doesn't know what questions to ask. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060112/449f36ac/attachment.htm From jfay at checkercarclub.org Thu Jan 12 12:20:19 2006 From: jfay at checkercarclub.org (Joe Fay) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:24:38 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <83A33F639D13E64AAD6E32C9A13B43EB039B855B@DOWEX.cygnuspub.com> Message-ID: <200601121720.k0CHKJeg025516@checker.divisionpoint.net> I was recently turned away by my local Dodge dealer. Apparently, the Service Manager said he did not have mechanics that would know or understand how to diagnose whether my 1962 Dodge Dart equipped with a slant six needed a new voltage regulator or alternator. By the way I was pretty sure it was the voltage regulator, it was the original one installed in 1962. The Service Manager also indicated that he did not want to assume the liabilitiy of putting the car on a lift to adjusting the emergency brake. Can you believe it? On 1/12/2006, "Chad Elmore" wrote: >Scary stuff. Not the least of it is the fact that 1990 cars seem so old >-- they're 16... > >Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. >They've evolved like washing machines. > >But not only are the drivers unaware about what makes this new-fangled >technology work, so are many of the once-trusted technicians who today >have no idea how to troubleshoot modern machines when something does go >wrong. > >Chad >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 12:25:59 2006 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:25:36 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060112172559.76131.qmail@web31415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 12:30:33 2006 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:30:10 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Mechanics In-Reply-To: <200601121720.k0CHKJeg025516@checker.divisionpoint.net> Message-ID: <20060112173033.86461.qmail@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep, I believe it. My corner garage employs 8 mechanics, and the service manager (who's in his fifties) has to instruct several of the younger guys if he assigns them to work on one of my cars. Time marches on! Ron Shull Tucson Joe Fay wrote: I was recently turned away by my local Dodge dealer. Apparently, the Service Manager said he did not have mechanics that would know or understand how to diagnose whether my 1962 Dodge Dart equipped with a slant six needed a new voltage regulator or alternator. By the way I was pretty sure it was the voltage regulator, it was the original one installed in 1962. The Service Manager also indicated that he did not want to assume the liabilitiy of putting the car on a lift to adjusting the emergency brake. Can you believe it? On 1/12/2006, "Chad Elmore" wrote: >Scary stuff. Not the least of it is the fact that 1990 cars seem so old >-- they're 16... > >Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. >They've evolved like washing machines. > >But not only are the drivers unaware about what makes this new-fangled >technology work, so are many of the once-trusted technicians who today >have no idea how to troubleshoot modern machines when something does go >wrong. > >Chad >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060112/a764bc92/attachment.htm From ehenry10 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 12 18:26:04 2006 From: ehenry10 at earthlink.net (Henry Schram) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:25:46 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: <410-22006141223264578@earthlink.net> > Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. > They've evolved like washing machines. Well, I prefer to believe it was intelligent design. (How could I pass up a straight line like that?) Henry Schram ehenry10@earthlink.net From baggins at well.com Thu Jan 12 19:33:00 2006 From: baggins at well.com (baggins@well.com) Date: Thu Jan 12 19:33:13 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Message-ID: <200601130033.k0D0XSd4026342@wcmta4.mycingular.net> sealed hoods marked "no user servicable parts inside" will be here soon, on hybrids at first. Tom McIntyre 285 States St. San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 415 626 5255 415 431 9703 fax -----Original Message----- From: john_weinhoeft Subj: Re: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:00 Size: 791 bytes To: Checker Mailing List You're right. Shade tree mechanic doesn't cut it anymore unless he has a shop manual and a VOM ... and even with that, all you can do is narrow it down to several guesses. Chad Elmore wrote: > Scary stuff. Not the least of it is the fact that 1990 cars seem so old > -- they're 16... > > Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. > They've evolved like washing machines. > > But not only are the drivers unaware about what makes this new-fangled > technology work, so are many of the once-trusted technicians who today > have no idea how to troubleshoot modern machines when something does go > wrong. > > Chad _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From CNAyers at shaw.ca Thu Jan 12 19:57:23 2006 From: CNAyers at shaw.ca (Chris) Date: Thu Jan 12 19:57:32 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <43C68616.7080304@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <0IT00091GANK16U0@l-daemon> Dear list, I learned to drive on the farm and could always practice in the parking lot at the mall on Sundays. Now that the malls are open seven days a week, where does one practice? Why, on the freeway, of course! -Chris, Calgary From captunderdog at clearwire.net Thu Jan 12 21:41:41 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:42:20 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> References: <12e.6d494ae8.30f6cd0a@aol.com> Message-ID: <43C71365.4060005@clearwire.net> My basic distrust of the powers that be, tell me that it won't be long before the results of this experiment, and others like it, will soon be used in some misguided attempt to outlaw old cars. After all they can be "proven" to be unsafe, right? The resistance will be great, and a compromise will be reached allowing us "kooks" to drive our old cars in parades and other officially sanctioned events. God Bless. Walt From gogubbe at chello.se Fri Jan 13 09:28:48 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Fri Jan 13 09:28:33 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found out that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years of collecting gone over night. May those assholes burn in hell luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member galleries /Mats-Einar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/25bce765/attachment.htm From Baggins at well.com Fri Jan 13 11:14:58 2006 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:14:15 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060113081429.023d1dd8@well.com> I am so sorry. At 06:28 AM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found >out that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my >checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years >of collecting gone over night. > >May those assholes burn in hell > >luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. > >Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden > >Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member >galleries /Mats-Einar >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From captunderdog at clearwire.net Fri Jan 13 11:19:15 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:19:56 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <43C7D303.9020208@clearwire.net> Sorry Mats, It looks like to me that they know you and are jelaous of what you have done. We have human debris like that here too. They believe that if you have something, you must have taken it from someone. They don't understand the concept of earning something by hard work and determination. God Bless. Walt Mats-Einar wrote: > This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found out > that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my > checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years of > collecting gone over night. > > May those assholes burn in hell > > luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. > > Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden > > Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member > galleries /Mats-Einar > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > From gpollock at indiana.edu Fri Jan 13 11:21:27 2006 From: gpollock at indiana.edu (Pollock, Geoffrey K.) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:21:07 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: That sucks. I have a parts car that I am taking the drive train out of for my daily driver. I had been intending to sell the pristine front windshield to help underwrite some of the expenses of engine rebuilding, but someone plinked it dead center with a BB gun. -Geoff Pollock Bloomington, Indiana 1973 A-11 From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Fri Jan 13 12:17:27 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:14:44 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> References: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <43C7E0A7.2020808@insightbb.com> If caught, they should be forced to do all the cleanup and repair work ... that MIGHT teach them something about hard work. John Mats-Einar wrote: > This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found out > that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my > checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years of > collecting gone over night. > > May those assholes burn in hell > > luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. > > Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden > > Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member > galleries /Mats-Einar > From captunderdog at clearwire.net Fri Jan 13 12:17:15 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:17:56 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C7E09B.8040105@clearwire.net> Any chance of the glue fix? It's worked for my pickup twice. God Bless. Walt Pollock, Geoffrey K. wrote: >That sucks. I have a parts car that I am taking the drive train out of >for my daily driver. I had been intending to sell the pristine front >windshield to help underwrite some of the expenses of engine rebuilding, >but someone plinked it dead center with a BB gun. > >-Geoff Pollock >Bloomington, Indiana >1973 A-11 >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > >. > > > From Sgalano179 at cs.com Fri Jan 13 12:21:34 2006 From: Sgalano179 at cs.com (Sgalano179@cs.com) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:21:14 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: <258.51716b7.30f93b9e@cs.com> Mats-Einar: My heart goes out to you. My Aerobus was once stolen by a pair of skinheads from Idaho just after I had completely restored the exterior. They drove it through a chain link fence just a few blocks from my home. I received no compensation even though they were caught and convicted. They both had just turned 18, so I couldn't sue their parents and they didn't have a dime between the two of them for any restitution. I hope you'll be able to come to peace with your having been violated. Sometimes the recurring anger that arises from having something like that happen can be more damaging than the act itself. Go in peace my friend, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/976e5846/attachment.htm From d69d69d69 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 13 12:24:28 2006 From: d69d69d69 at hotmail.com (Chuck and Janet) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:24:05 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <43C7D303.9020208@clearwire.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/494bfe5c/attachment.htm From gogubbe at chello.se Fri Jan 13 12:36:43 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:36:20 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars References: Message-ID: <003101c61867$eb3699c0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> I know who did it and it was jelosy and payback for old stuff im 100% sure of it ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck and Janet To: checker@textfiles.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Oh Mats, I am so sorry to hear that happened to you. I know what pride you take in your cars, and how much you love them. I agree with Walt that it sounds like someone who is jealous of the specialness of your cars and the fact that they can't have it, they dont' want anyone to have it. Good luck with your insurance and getting back on track again very soon. Janet Woudenberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Walt Taufen Reply-To: Checker Mailing List To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:19:15 -0800 >Sorry Mats, >It looks like to me that they know you and are jelaous of what you >have done. We have human debris like that here too. They believe >that if you have something, you must have taken it from someone. >They don't understand the concept of earning something by hard work >and determination. > >God Bless. >Walt > >Mats-Einar wrote: > >>This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found >>out that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both >>my checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 >>years of collecting gone over night. >> May those assholes burn in hell >> luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. >> Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden >> Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member >>galleries /Mats-Einar >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Checker mailing list >>Checker@textfiles.com >>http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/34184129/attachment.htm From gogubbe at chello.se Fri Jan 13 13:04:56 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Fri Jan 13 13:04:36 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandals...bad turns to blessings.... Message-ID: <001701c6186b$dc9000b0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> thanx for your support guys the yellow cab is allready at the apint shop and the white one is mooved... abd will be resprayed too so notheing bad that dosent bring good too...dont stare backwoods look at the solution instead...just that all this has turned my .,life upside down theese last days into panic and stress...cause i goota get a new place ASAP... But i Know the Good Lord will bless me with what i need and HEY i get two new sprayed cars thru insurence instead of paying myself.... all bad will get beaten in the faar end Btew again Ive just recived an invitation to swedsn biggest indoor Car show to Exhibit my Yellow cab and camper...so in the middle of hell there is a light...and i see it i will go there with a restored cab... Luv ya?ll A checker owner is newer alone. Btw I was honored to take over the old Generalagents stock so i have a huge amount of parts...and once ive mooved it i will starty selling out that stuff . So hey avrything works for the good in my life Josph Smith the Mormon prophet got Words from God when he was depressed and in hard ship it was said something like this. Even if all your friends turn their back on you Even if you loose all your wordly possesions Even if the gates of hell opens up towards you KNOW THAT ALL THIS WILL WORK TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. That is pretty hopefull words and that is how i try to see ity Same day it hapopend i set of the process to have the cars fixed and looking for a new place and i know itr will work th my good in the faar end...i have hope i see the light... I wont let the sun go down...or as they said in life of Brian ALLWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE..... TA TA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/da3c40a6/attachment.htm From jenkins.frames at juno.com Fri Jan 13 15:30:09 2006 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames@juno.com) Date: Fri Jan 13 15:31:16 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch Message-ID: <20060113.123035.9920.21350@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Matt Did you ever discover the source of your shifting problems? Arthur -- "Matthew Will" wrote: Hello all, I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy 28= 3 3 = speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a few days= = ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As soon as I p= ut = the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a vibration in the clut= ch = pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod of the clutch pedal. I = = depressed the pedal a couple more times and everything seemed alright. = I = could still get into and out of every gear. I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. The= n = with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble arose. = I = stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted through fir= st = and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a wall. The shifter= = would not go into third. I could not get it out of the neutral position= . = No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into third. I had to drive the = last = half mile in second. If I tried to shift it into third any harder I = probably would have snapped the shifter. When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around = the = block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times eventually I= = could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I bought a new = = spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled spring about 5 = inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch pedal linkage ro= d. = When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere that this spring would = have = attached to keep the linkage smooth shifting. I don't see any special h= oles = on the linkage rod, and the hook end that snapped off is on the floor so= = that is no help. My questions are: 1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the = linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? 2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in advanc= e. = Matt _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From d69d69d69 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 13 21:03:41 2006 From: d69d69d69 at hotmail.com (Chuck and Janet) Date: Fri Jan 13 21:03:20 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandals...bad turns to blessings.... In-Reply-To: <001701c6186b$dc9000b0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/b981fdce/attachment.htm From CNAyers at shaw.ca Fri Jan 13 22:57:58 2006 From: CNAyers at shaw.ca (Chris) Date: Fri Jan 13 22:57:32 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <001001c6184d$ab30d350$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: <0IT20035JDOHI9E0@l-daemon> Dear Mats, I hope the insurance gets you back on the road soon. There is a tyranny that comes with possessions. Theft, vandalism, covetousness, envy impoverish us all. May you never experience senseless violence/home invasion/violence during theft, etc.. I remind myself that any MVC or property damage that you can walk away from is really not a catastrophe. I put a big lock on my garage, but I can't prevent someone from burning it down. As angry as I would be at such a crime, it isn't worth going to "the big house" over those sons of *******. If you seek revenge, first, dig two graves. I'll shut up now. -Chris, Calgary _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060113/e9ec9280/attachment.htm From jenkins.frames at juno.com Sat Jan 14 08:19:08 2006 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames@juno.com) Date: Sat Jan 14 08:20:51 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: <20060114.051943.1587.26169@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Matts and the rest of the Checker family My feelings go out to you for your loss. The time and effort may seem wa= sted but the creator has made this a perfect world and ultimatly everyth= ing happens for a reason. No one was hurt, the rest are just objects tha= t can be replaced or repaired. I try to look at life's experiences as "It's not fatal, it's not a fail= ure, it' s learning experience". postive energy to you Arthur ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From captunderdog at clearwire.net Sat Jan 14 11:21:55 2006 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Sat Jan 14 11:21:41 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <20060114.051943.1587.26169@webmail05.lax.untd.com> References: <20060114.051943.1587.26169@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <43C92523.90205@clearwire.net> The idea that: " the creator has made this a perfect world and ultimately everything happens for a reason" assumes that all the evil that you see is somehow in the plan of this "perfect" God and we just have to accept it, that is NOT TRUE. The Creator God made this world perfect at first, but disobedience and sin entered the world and destroyed the perfect harmony that God Created, and now there is nothing around you that is according to the original plan of God. Jesus Christ paid the price (death) for the disobedience and sin, so that now, "ultimately everything happens for a reason" *ONLY* in the life that has been fully surrendered to God through Jesus, all other lives are a hodge-podge of self serving acts that may or may not be self destructive or destructive to others. A life surrendered to God serves God, a life not surrendered to God serves self. Serve self, or Serve God. That is the only decision we are here, on this 3rd rock from the sun, to make, and we have a lifetime to make it. I don't want to start another theological discussion on this list, so email me off list if anyone wants to discuss this further. I will not respond again on-list. Sorry, I just HAD to respond to God being responsible for evil. God Bless. Walt jenkins.frames@juno.com wrote: >Matts and the rest of the Checker family > >My feelings go out to you for your loss. The time and effort may seem wasted but the creator has made this a perfect world and ultimatly everything happens for a reason. No one was hurt, the rest are just objects that can be replaced or repaired. >I try to look at life's experiences as "It's not fatal, it's not a failure, it' s learning experience". > > >postive energy to you >Arthur > > > > > From Sgalano179 at cs.com Sat Jan 14 12:24:03 2006 From: Sgalano179 at cs.com (Sgalano179@cs.com) Date: Sat Jan 14 12:24:08 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: <29d.3b18829.30fa8db3@cs.com> Walt: I never read any of your posts as though you were proselytizing. It's refreshing to know a man who stands up for the fact that G-d is Good. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060114/7fb982b8/attachment.htm From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 16:01:13 2006 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:00:52 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars In-Reply-To: <43C92523.90205@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <20060115210113.99897.qmail@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walt, thanks for taking future theological discussion off-list. Those of us that are not religious will appreciate that. Ron Shull Tucson --- Walt Taufen wrote: > The idea that: " the creator has made this a perfect > world and > ultimately everything happens for a reason" assumes > that all the evil > that you see is somehow in the plan of this > "perfect" God and we just > have to accept it, that is NOT TRUE. > > The Creator God made this world perfect at first, > but disobedience and > sin entered the world and destroyed the perfect > harmony that God > Created, and now there is nothing around you that is > according to the > original plan of God. Jesus Christ paid the price > (death) for the > disobedience and sin, so that now, "ultimately > everything happens for a > reason" *ONLY* in the life that has been fully > surrendered to God > through Jesus, all other lives are a hodge-podge of > self serving acts > that may or may not be self destructive or > destructive to others. A life > surrendered to God serves God, a life not > surrendered to God serves self. > > Serve self, or Serve God. That is the only decision > we are here, on this > 3rd rock from the sun, to make, and we have a > lifetime to make it. > > I don't want to start another theological discussion > on this list, so > email me off list if anyone wants to discuss this > further. I will not > respond again on-list. > > Sorry, I just HAD to respond to God being > responsible for evil. > > God Bless. > Walt > > > > > jenkins.frames@juno.com wrote: > > >Matts and the rest of the Checker family > > > >My feelings go out to you for your loss. The time > and effort may seem wasted but the creator has made > this a perfect world and ultimatly everything > happens for a reason. No one was hurt, the rest are > just objects that can be replaced or repaired. > >I try to look at life's experiences as "It's not > fatal, it's not a failure, it' s learning > experience". > > > > > >postive energy to you > >Arthur > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From permanentjaun at hotmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:58:06 2006 From: permanentjaun at hotmail.com (Matthew Will) Date: Mon Jan 16 11:57:44 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch In-Reply-To: <20060113.123035.9920.21350@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately no. The linkage inside the car seemed to be intact. I could not find anywhere that spring would go. Do you think the problem is inside the transmission? I just find it odd that the spring would pop and then within a short period of time the third gear goes. I don't know what to do. Matt >From: "jenkins.frames@juno.com" >Reply-To: Checker Mailing List >To: checker@textfiles.com >Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Transmission Linkage/Clutch >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:30:09 GMT > > >Matt > >Did you ever discover the source of your shifting problems? > >Arthur > >-- "Matthew Will" wrote: >Hello all, > >I've recently come into a little problem with my 1966 A-12 with Chevy 283 3 >speed on the tree. It is my daily driver. When leaving work a few days >ago, I depressed the clutch so I could start the engine. As soon as I put >the clutch down I heard the snap of a spring and a vibration in the clutch >pedal. A spring was hanging by the linkage rod of the clutch pedal. I >depressed the pedal a couple more times and everything seemed alright. I >could still get into and out of every gear. > >I started the car and drove it home. Everything felt as it should. Then >with about half a mile left to get back to my house the trouble arose. I >stopped at a light and then started moving again. I shifted through first >and second. Once I tried to shift into third I hit a wall. The shifter >would not go into third. I could not get it out of the neutral position. >No matter how I tried I couldn't get it into third. I had to drive the >last >half mile in second. If I tried to shift it into third any harder I >probably would have snapped the shifter. > >When I tried to find the solution to the problem I drove the car around the >block a few times. If I jiggled the shifter a couple times eventually I >could slide the shifter into third where it would stay. I bought a new >spring similar to the one that snapped. It is a coiled spring about 5 >inches long. Again, it was found hanging on the clutch pedal linkage rod. >When I look under the dash I can't find anywhere that this spring would >have >attached to keep the linkage smooth shifting. I don't see any special >holes >on the linkage rod, and the hook end that snapped off is on the floor so >that is no help. > >My questions are: >1. Is this spring the problem? Is the lack of this spring causing the >linkage to lose track and not allow me to shift into third? > >2. If so, where does this spring go? I have no clue. Thanks in advance. >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! >Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. >Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From gogubbe at chello.se Tue Jan 17 16:40:02 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Tue Jan 17 16:39:37 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] donations Message-ID: <001501c61bae$9303b130$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> If anyone can donate crazy checker stuff contact me i collect anything to the checker and yellow cab stuff.... i place it around the car on exehbitions signs toys and all else... i cant get moore than a NO can i??? just had to ask!!! Regards Mats-Einar J Checker hollic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John W Mats-Einar wrote: > If anyone can donate crazy checker stuff contact me i collect anything > to the checker and yellow cab stuff.... > > i place it around the car on exehbitions > > signs toys and all else... > > i cant get moore than a NO can i??? > > just had to ask!!! > > > Regards Mats-Einar J > Checker hollic From gogubbe at chello.se Tue Jan 17 16:37:50 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Tue Jan 17 16:54:33 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars References: Message-ID: <000c01c61bae$440c3cf0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Thanx for your support I am so greatful for all the support moraly and in prayers cause i do belive in prayers ive carried a feeling that it will work out to the best and in fact it is going that direction tomorrow i will know if they give me enogh money to respray both cars and Joe Pollard @ checkerparts.com + Alde and Jimmie at taxidepot.com has been sooooooo hlpful to ship stuff to save my upcomming job with the checker so it will be bqck on the road at the latest 28 th And tomorrow i will find out idf wer can rent a new place so that i can moove out in a couple of weeks from the place i had my gartage to a place that has staff in the building 24/7 feels a lot moore secure to have it like that. Wel thanx for beeing there for me..luv u all and i hope to be able to go to kalamazoo in the futere sometime if you ever need assitance and help in sweden u know where to turn to..... BTW i got an invitation to the biggest indoor car show in sweden this Easter to display my Cyellow cab and motell... Im so proud i can burst....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGg J U S T D I D!!!!!! Mats-Einar J ----- Original Message ----- From: evelyn fasnacht To: 'Mats-Einar' Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars I was so sorry to hear of your misfortune, but glad it all worked out OK. Love your pics on the website - you have my favorite collection - particularly the camper. (and, of course your socks...). Evelyn in Texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Mats-Einar Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:29 AM To: Checkerlistan USA Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found out that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years of collecting gone over night. May those assholes burn in hell luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member galleries /Mats-Einar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060117/41183eca/attachment.htm From gogubbe at chello.se Tue Jan 17 16:41:13 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Tue Jan 17 16:56:10 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars Message-ID: <002a01c61bae$bd6d3c70$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Thanx for your support I am so greatful for all the support moraly and in prayers cause i do belive in prayers ive carried a feeling that it will work out to the best and in fact it is going that direction tomorrow i will know if they give me enogh money to respray both cars and Joe Pollard @ checkerparts.com + Alde and Jimmie at taxidepot.com has been sooooooo hlpful to ship stuff to save my upcomming job with the checker so it will be bqck on the road at the latest 28 th And tomorrow i will find out idf wer can rent a new place so that i can moove out in a couple of weeks from the place i had my gartage to a place that has staff in the building 24/7 feels a lot moore secure to have it like that. Wel thanx for beeing there for me..luv u all and i hope to be able to go to kalamazoo in the futere sometime if you ever need assitance and help in sweden u know where to turn to..... BTW i got an invitation to the biggest indoor car show in sweden this Easter to display my Cyellow cab and motell... Im so proud i can burst....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGg J U S T D I D!!!!!! Mats-Einar J ----- Original Message ----- From: evelyn fasnacht To: 'Mats-Einar' Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars I was so sorry to hear of your misfortune, but glad it all worked out OK. Love your pics on the website - you have my favorite collection - particularly the camper. (and, of course your socks...). Evelyn in Texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Mats-Einar Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:29 AM To: Checkerlistan USA Subject: [Checker-l] Vandalsvandalized my cars This wendsday kii went to my garage and when i came thered i found out that it had ben a break in and that they had vandalized both my checker on top of that all my tools and machines are gone 2 years of collecting gone over night. May those assholes burn in hell luckily i was insured so insurence covers most of it. Regards Mats-Einar J Stockholm Sweden Photos of it can be seen on the Checkercarclub.org under member galleries /Mats-Einar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060117/b52efd87/attachment-0001.htm From gogubbe at chello.se Tue Jan 17 17:48:35 2006 From: gogubbe at chello.se (Mats-Einar) Date: Tue Jan 17 17:48:06 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] donations References: <001501c61bae$9303b130$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> <43CD6723.6010808@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <003301c61bb8$26165cd0$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> esier to send it ?nce and if somone replies personally thanx for the tip have a great day today and evryday regards Mats-Einar ----- Original Message ----- From: "john_weinhoeft" To: "Checker Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Checker-l] donations > Mats-Einar, > > If you're going to ask, you should include your address ;-) > > I know I can look it up in the club membership database but > not everyone on this list is a club member ... > > John W > > Mats-Einar wrote: > > > If anyone can donate crazy checker stuff contact me i collect anything > > to the checker and yellow cab stuff.... > > > > i place it around the car on exehbitions > > > > signs toys and all else... > > > > i cant get moore than a NO can i??? > > > > just had to ask!!! > > > > > > Regards Mats-Einar J > > Checker hollic > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker@textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From d69d69d69 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 18 00:17:59 2006 From: d69d69d69 at hotmail.com (Chuck and Janet) Date: Wed Jan 18 00:17:39 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] donations In-Reply-To: <001501c61bae$9303b130$cdf796c1@MATSEINAR> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <410-22006141223264578@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0ITM00M14BNQIGB0@l-daemon> Aldous Huxley refers to Henry Ford in his 1935 novel "Brave New World" by referring to the year as "in the year of our Ford...". Henry Ford "created" the American Automobile. Does this support creationism? I'll shut up now. -Chris, Calgary -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Henry Schram Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:26 PM To: Checker Mailing List; Checker Mailing List Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... > Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. > They've evolved like washing machines. Well, I prefer to believe it was intelligent design. (How could I pass up a straight line like that?) Henry Schram ehenry10@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From Baggins at well.com Wed Jan 25 00:45:11 2006 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Wed Jan 25 00:45:06 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... In-Reply-To: <0ITM00M14BNQIGB0@l-daemon> References: <410-22006141223264578@earthlink.net> <0ITM00M14BNQIGB0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060124214348.02747358@well.com> I just posted some stuff I need to clear out of the garage in the member's forum on the Club site. Anyone need brake or A/C parts? At 02:24 PM 1/24/2006, Chris wrote: >Aldous Huxley refers to Henry Ford in his 1935 novel "Brave New World" by >referring to the year as "in the year of our Ford...". Henry Ford "created" >the American Automobile. Does this support creationism? > >I'll shut up now. >-Chris, Calgary > >-----Original Message----- >From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] >On Behalf Of Henry Schram >Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:26 PM >To: Checker Mailing List; Checker Mailing List >Subject: RE: [Checker-l] Now try it without ABS, EBD, ESP, EBA ... > > > > > Technology has made modern cars into nothing more than appliances. > > They've evolved like washing machines. > >Well, I prefer to believe it was intelligent design. >(How could I pass up a straight line like that?) > >Henry Schram >ehenry10@earthlink.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From Baggins at well.com Wed Jan 25 02:07:05 2006 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Wed Jan 25 02:06:53 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] The Checker Taxi Stand Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060124230500.026c0bb0@well.com> http://www.checkertaxistand.com/index.php?set_albumName=Toms-A12-A12W New pics. Body back on frame now, I hear! Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Wed Jan 25 10:30:52 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Wed Jan 25 10:28:10 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060124230500.026c0bb0@well.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060124230500.026c0bb0@well.com> Message-ID: <43D799AC.8010003@insightbb.com> Tom, I heard a bit about the car yesterday from Ben Perlin (your rebuilder contacted Ben for gauges). Ben didn't know all the rebuild details and, from looking at the photos, what he remembered was a bit off. Looks like you took a Corvette C4, swiped the front and rear suspension from it, and hung it on the A-12W frame. Appears you reused the A-12 lower A-arms and custom fabricated the upper A-arms. Plus a bit of an engine / transmission upgrade. You should consider writing an article for the newsletter about your experience. John Thomas McIntyre wrote: > http://www.checkertaxistand.com/index.php?set_albumName=Toms-A12-A12W > New pics. Body back on frame now, I hear! > > Tom McIntyre > 285 States St > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq > Support Camp Mather > http://www.campmather.com/ From Baggins at well.com Wed Jan 25 10:56:07 2006 From: Baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Wed Jan 25 10:56:05 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade In-Reply-To: <43D799AC.8010003@insightbb.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060124230500.026c0bb0@well.com> <43D799AC.8010003@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060125075226.026f4d50@well.com> I think the whole front and rear suspension is C-4, except springs/shocks and carbon fibre half shafts in the rear. I do not think that the brakes in these photos will stay on the car as the cost is incredible and they require huge wheels. I want to stay close to stock appearance, just modernize performance. (There is a photo of the rear suspension, seen through the floor where the spare tire well had to go to make room for the IRS and 22 gal fuel cell.) At 07:30 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote: >Tom, > >I heard a bit about the car yesterday from Ben Perlin (your >rebuilder contacted Ben for gauges). Ben didn't know all the rebuild >details and, from looking at the photos, what he remembered was a bit off. > >Looks like you took a Corvette C4, swiped the front and rear >suspension from it, and hung it on the A-12W frame. Appears you >reused the A-12 lower A-arms and custom fabricated the upper A-arms. >Plus a bit of an engine / transmission upgrade. > >You should consider writing an article for the newsletter about your >experience. > >John > >Thomas McIntyre wrote: >>http://www.checkertaxistand.com/index.php?set_albumName=Toms-A12-A12W >>New pics. Body back on frame now, I hear! >>Tom McIntyre >>285 States St >>San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 >>http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq >>Support Camp Mather >>http://www.campmather.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker@textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > Tom McIntyre 285 States St San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 http://tinyurl.com/7wmvq Support Camp Mather http://www.campmather.com/ From Europutt at aol.com Wed Jan 25 12:22:50 2006 From: Europutt at aol.com (Europutt@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 25 12:23:03 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade Message-ID: <195.4fdce66f.31090dea@aol.com> Tom my neighbor Manard {Konocti Motors} won 3 of the 5 classes at the roadster show last weekend. Foosh {how ever you spell it} won the over all they were runner up. Winning car cost 1.3 million to build the runner up cost 700,000 big bucks. Next year they will get them. Come up to Lower Lake and show them yours when finished. They all like my Superpa and I still love the idea of that V12 and brakes from the 850. See ya at the 49er. Hope the speedway sidecars are there again. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060125/181acea7/attachment.htm From baggins at well.com Wed Jan 25 16:20:00 2006 From: baggins at well.com (baggins@well.com) Date: Wed Jan 25 16:21:00 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade Message-ID: <200601252120.k0PLKp4O008791@wcmta4.mycingular.net> the cow palace show? I got my sedan painted in lower lake last winter Tom McIntyre 285 States St. San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 415 626 5255 415 431 9703 fax -----Original Message----- From: Europutt@aol.com Subj: Re: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade Date: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:24 Size: 954 bytes To: checker@textfiles.com Tom my neighbor Manard {Konocti Motors} won 3 of the 5 classes at the roadster show last weekend. Foosh {how ever you spell it} won the over all they were runner up. Winning car cost 1.3 million to build the runner up cost 700,000 big bucks. Next year they will get them. Come up to Lower Lake and show them yours when finished. They all like my Superpa and I still love the idea of that V12 and brakes from the 850. See ya at the 49er. Hope the speedway sidecars are there again. Roger From Europutt at aol.com Thu Jan 26 13:22:17 2006 From: Europutt at aol.com (Europutt@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 26 13:22:26 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Re: A-12W Upgrade Message-ID: <1c1.38d4d593.310a6d59@aol.com> Yes the Cow show. Who painted the car? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brandum) Date: Fri Jan 27 18:14:08 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Hemmings In-Reply-To: <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Congrats to Micheal Babbish on the article in Hemmings Classic Car! Now that you're done with yours, you can come work on mine! ~Will From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Fri Jan 27 18:20:26 2006 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (john_weinhoeft) Date: Fri Jan 27 18:19:43 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <195.4fdce66f.31090dea@aol.com> <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43DAAABA.2070100@insightbb.com> Jeff, If you don't get any takers off this list, you can always post to the club web site ... as a club member, "For Sale" ads (probably the best place to post it) are free to you. If I was closer to you, I would be interested but you're a bit too far from me ... John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home whoispk@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style > > (pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about > > stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. > > Jeff Jobson > From jfay at checkercarclub.org Sat Jan 28 12:46:40 2006 From: jfay at checkercarclub.org (Joe Fay) Date: Sat Jan 28 12:51:47 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200601281746.k0SHkepu046057@checker.divisionpoint.net> I'd be interested in the windshield Jeff. Joe On 1/27/2006, "whoispk@aol.com" wrote: > >Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style >(pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about >stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. >Jeff Jobson > Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ From whoispk at aol.com Mon Jan 30 20:01:38 2006 From: whoispk at aol.com (whoispk@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 30 20:01:53 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <200601281746.k0SHkepu046057@checker.divisionpoint.net> Message-ID: <8C7F4190673B859-EE8-1CFC@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Hello, Joe! There's a fellow in Canada that has expressed interest in the windshield (he's rebuilding a wagon...lots of early wagons seem to have survived, interesting to see!). My problem is how to get these out of the Northwest. I haven't the faintest idea how to package them to ship. Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Fay To: checker@textfiles.com Sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:46:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass I'd be interested in the windshield Jeff. Joe On 1/27/2006, "whoispk@aol.com" wrote: > >Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style >(pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about >stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. >Jeff Jobson > Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060130/28059aa9/attachment.htm From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 09:49:14 2006 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Carguy) Date: Tue Jan 31 09:49:23 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <8C7F4190673B859-EE8-1CFC@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060131144915.32723.qmail@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, take a drive to your local windshield shops and see if they can give you a used windshield box from a windshield that was shipped to them. These boxes are slotted inside to suspend the windshield in the middle of the box. Of course, you would need measurements from your windshield, and you may have to wait until they get a box large enough or long enough. Hope this helps! Ron Shull Tucson whoispk@aol.com wrote: Hello, Joe! There's a fellow in Canada that has expressed interest in the windshield (he's rebuilding a wagon...lots of early wagons seem to have survived, interesting to see!). My problem is how to get these out of the Northwest. I haven't the faintest idea how to package them to ship. Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Fay To: checker@textfiles.com Sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:46:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #333333; } I'd be interested in the windshield Jeff. Joe On 1/27/2006, "whoispk@aol.com" wrote: > >Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style >(pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about >stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. >Jeff Jobson > Joe Fay President Checker Car Club of America http://www.checkercarclub.org/ _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060131/99a05705/attachment.htm From wsick at ebidenergy.com Tue Jan 31 12:14:16 2006 From: wsick at ebidenergy.com (Bill Sick) Date: Tue Jan 31 12:12:07 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <43DAAABA.2070100@insightbb.com> Message-ID: I am interested in the front glass... Contact me at chicklet14572@usadatanet.net Thank You, Bill Sick Project Manager eBidenergy. Inc 3445 Winton Place, Suite 219 Rochester, New York 14623 Phone: (585) 427-2610 x 313Fax: (585) 427-2625 wsick@ebidenergy.com http://www.eBidenergy.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The information contained in and attached to this message is confidential and may be privileged and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail to wsick@ebidenergy.com and delete the message. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of john_weinhoeft Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:20 PM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass Jeff, If you don't get any takers off this list, you can always post to the club web site ... as a club member, "For Sale" ads (probably the best place to post it) are free to you. If I was closer to you, I would be interested but you're a bit too far from me ... John Weinhoeft Secretary, CCCoA, Inc., an Indiana Not-for-Profit, www.checkercarclub.org 81 A-12, 82 A-11 LPG & a Lustron Steel Home whoispk@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style > > (pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about > > stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. > > Jeff Jobson > _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker@textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From wsick at ebidenergy.com Tue Jan 31 12:15:37 2006 From: wsick at ebidenergy.com (Bill Sick) Date: Tue Jan 31 12:13:22 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I could possibly send you a windshield box UPS and have you fill it and send it back. How much$$$$ Thank You, Bill Sick Project Manager eBidenergy. Inc 3445 Winton Place, Suite 219 Rochester, New York 14623 Phone: (585) 427-2610 x 313Fax: (585) 427-2625 wsick@ebidenergy.com http://www.eBidenergy.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The information contained in and attached to this message is confidential and may be privileged and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail to wsick@ebidenergy.com and delete the message. Thank you. _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of whoispk@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:40 PM To: checker@textfiles.com Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style (pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. Jeff Jobson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060131/962d41b2/attachment.htm From CNAyers at shaw.ca Tue Jan 31 15:53:04 2006 From: CNAyers at shaw.ca (Chris) Date: Tue Jan 31 15:52:07 2006 Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass In-Reply-To: <8C7F1A9B169204B-C78-691D@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0ITZ0075Z5X07IB0@l-daemon> Dear Jeff, I can always use a spare. Are you going to Kalamazoo in June? -Chris Ayers, Calgary _____ From: checker-bounces@textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces@textfiles.com] On Behalf Of whoispk@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:40 PM To: checker@textfiles.com Subject: [Checker-l] Early style front and rear glass Hey folks! Anybody out there in need of front and/or rear glass for the short style (pre-1969...?)Checker Sedans? I have the set from a 1961 Superba that I keep worrying about stumbling over in my garage. I have a 1971, so I can't use them. Jeff Jobson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20060131/8346e355/attachment.htm