From captunderdog at clearwire.net Tue May 1 01:32:38 2007 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:32:38 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] Ebay 150114782386 In-Reply-To: <46368708.3050609@insightbb.com> References: <9425DEF8-D662-44EB-9CB9-218B9BD91955@well.com> <46368708.3050609@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <4636D0F6.1000401@clearwire.net> Every thing's going up, Maybe in it's new home in Rancho Santa Fe it will get to haul around a 4800 dollar painting or two. God Bless. Walt John Weinhoeft wrote: > Tom, > > Yes, they have been going up ... decent running ones with some rust > issues are going from $4K to $6K, nice ones are going from $8K up so > I'm not surprised at $4K for this one ... I saw a total rust bucket > that wouldn't even run unless you poured gas down the carb bring > $3,500 a couple of years ago and I doubt if you could have gotten $500 > in parts off of it. > > John W. > > Thomas McIntyre wrote: >> Did our cars just double in value and I missed it? >> This is a scary, rusty, chopped up old cab, right? >> Why 17 bids to over 4 k? >> Is there $3500 in the trunk? >> Thomas Mcintyre >> Baggins at Well.com >> 285 States Street >> San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 >> Support Camp Mather - http://www.campmather.com >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > -- To serve my Lord Jesus, I go camping, hiking, backpacking, mountain biking, caving, rock climbing, and I sing with children. Yeah, it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070430/8fd915a9/attachment.html From willietb at hotmail.com Tue May 1 20:56:34 2007 From: willietb at hotmail.com (William T. Brandum) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 00:56:34 +0000 Subject: [Checker-l] Ebay 150114782386 In-Reply-To: <4636D0F6.1000401@clearwire.net> Message-ID: Looks better than mine. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 From MAGCMG at aol.com Tue May 1 21:35:59 2007 From: MAGCMG at aol.com (MAGCMG at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:35:59 EDT Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion Message-ID: Who has converted the factory air conditioning from R12 to R134? Do all the parts need to be changed out? How about the lines? Any recommendations or comments about this from the group? Michael Granet ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070501/d7a98f32/attachment.html From dklauck at hotmail.com Tue May 1 21:39:22 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion Message-ID: Yes I converted to R134 many years ago. It is recommended the lines be changed to vapor barrier lines or else the R134 will bleed out slowly. Of course your dryer will need to be changed also. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 From captunderdog at clearwire.net Tue May 1 21:59:55 2007 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 18:59:55 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4637F09B.8000401@clearwire.net> I never, repeat NEVER, will use 134. I used it once and the pressures were so high and the system was so inefficient I couldn't get the air to come out any colder than 46 degrees. I was really disappointed and so was my customer. I began searching around for something that wasn't from DuPont and I found R12a; it's made in Canada, cheaper than 134, operates at pressures like the R12 did, mixes with R12 and/or 134, uses either kind or oil, works with R12 hoses, and I can get the air coming out of the duct down to 38 degrees. I have used it in over-the-road trucks, dump trucks, loaders, combines, cars, tractors and haying equipment with no problems and many satisfied customers. If your system takes 3lbs of 134 it will only take 2.5 of R12a. This stuff works. I was going to quit doing A/C when R12 went away, but this stuff makes it easy just like R12. I would never use anything else. God Bless. Walt MAGCMG at aol.com wrote: > Who has converted the factory air conditioning from R12 to R134? Do > all the parts need to be changed out? How about the lines? > > Any recommendations or comments about this from the group? > > Michael Granet > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > -- To serve my Lord Jesus, I go camping, hiking, backpacking, mountain biking, caving, rock climbing, and I sing with children. Yeah, it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070501/b662eb12/attachment.html From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Tue May 1 22:05:49 2007 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (John Weinhoeft) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4637F1FD.2050503@insightbb.com> Michael, At bare minimum, evacuate the system, change the low & high pressure fittings and refill with R-134 and oil. It's recommended to replace the dryer and should be done (any time you have the system opened up) but not 100% mandatory. And 134 may eventually leak out of the hoses, depending on their age and composition ... so changing hoses is not a bad idea. John W MAGCMG at aol.com wrote: > Who has converted the factory air conditioning from R12 to R134? Do > all the parts need to be changed out? How about the lines? > > Any recommendations or comments about this from the group? > > Michael Granet > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070501/827ce82f/attachment.html From captunderdog at clearwire.net Tue May 1 22:07:16 2007 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 19:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4637F254.7040607@clearwire.net> Oh, yeah, I forgot the power factor. I have one customer who has a little Kubota tractor that he does his haying with. The tractor is too small for what he does and when he had it converted to R134 by his local dealer it wouldn't pull the swather anymore with the A/C on. That's when he called me and I switched it to R12a and his problems went away. I found that it takes a lot more power to compress 134 to the really high pressures that it runs at. God Bless. Walt GCMG at aol.com wrote: > Who has converted the factory air conditioning from R12 to R134? Do > all the parts need to be changed out? How about the lines? > > Any recommendations or comments about this from the group? > > Michael Granet > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > -- To serve my Lord Jesus, I go camping, hiking, backpacking, mountain biking, caving, rock climbing, and I sing with children. Yeah, it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070501/b50bc258/attachment.html From dklauck at hotmail.com Tue May 1 22:28:37 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 22:28:37 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion Message-ID: Walt, Not to be a stickler but it's illegal in the U.S. to replace R-12 with the R-12a, not to mention it's flammable. If those concerns are not an issue why not just put propane in it. The cooling properties are great. Just trying to tell the other side of the story. Doug _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From krnkr at earthlink.net Tue May 1 23:45:29 2007 From: krnkr at earthlink.net (Kimberly Radtke &/or Keith R) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] Ebay 150114782386 Message-ID: <410-2200753234529702@earthlink.net> That's a lot of chrome for an old cab. Just the bumpers would be about $900 to rechrome. Then they chromed the metal covers between the bumpers and the body! WTF! Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas McIntyre To: Checker Mailing List Sent: 4/30/2007 4:23:22 PM Subject: [Checker-l] Ebay 150114782386 Did our cars just double in value and I missed it? This is a scary, rusty, chopped up old cab, right? Why 17 bids to over 4 k? Is there $3500 in the trunk? Thomas Mcintyre Baggins at Well.com 285 States Street San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 Support Camp Mather - http://www.campmather.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070501/5ee852a5/attachment-0001.html From lu3ke at yahoo.com Wed May 2 17:19:27 2007 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] Ebay 150114782386 In-Reply-To: <9425DEF8-D662-44EB-9CB9-218B9BD91955@well.com> Message-ID: <805119.63969.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> well, theoretically that is actually under what the value is "supposed to be" for a Checker in that condition. Especially if it really only has 85k miles on it (which seems somewhat unlikely). However, I'm not exactly sure where the "appraisal values" come from... or rather, I know where they come from, but they seem to bear precious small relation to how much you can actually sell a car for. Such is life. - Luke --- Thomas McIntyre wrote: > Did our cars just double in value and I missed it? > This is a scary, rusty, chopped up old cab, right? > Why 17 bids to over 4 k? > Is there $3500 in the trunk? > Thomas Mcintyre > Baggins at Well.com > 285 States Street > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > Support Camp Mather - http://www.campmather.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lu3ke at yahoo.com Wed May 2 17:22:17 2007 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <4637F09B.8000401@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <614206.68640.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How does it interact with the environment? Is 12a as safe as 134a? That is my primary concern. (as well it should be for any one who doesn't want to invest heavily in SPF 6000 sunblock.) - Luke Checker-l Admin --- Walt Taufen wrote: > I never, repeat NEVER, will use 134. I used it once > and the pressures > were so high and the system was so inefficient I > couldn't get the air to > come out any colder than 46 degrees. I was really > disappointed and so > was my customer. I began searching around for > something that wasn't from > DuPont and I found R12a; it's made in Canada, > cheaper than 134, operates > at pressures like the R12 did, mixes with R12 and/or > 134, uses either > kind or oil, works with R12 hoses, and I can get > the air coming out of > the duct down to 38 degrees. I have used it in > over-the-road trucks, > dump trucks, loaders, combines, cars, tractors and > haying equipment with > no problems and many satisfied customers. If your > system takes 3lbs of > 134 it will only take 2.5 of R12a. This stuff works. > I was going to quit > doing A/C when R12 went away, but this stuff makes > it easy just like > R12. I would never use anything else. > > God Bless. > Walt > > MAGCMG at aol.com wrote: > > Who has converted the factory air conditioning > from R12 to R134? Do > > all the parts need to be changed out? How about > the lines? > > > > Any recommendations or comments about this from > the group? > > > > Michael Granet > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See what's free at AOL.com > > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Checker mailing list > > Checker at textfiles.com > > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > > -- > To serve my Lord Jesus, I go camping, hiking, > backpacking, mountain > biking, caving, rock climbing, and I sing with > children. Yeah, it's a tough > job, but somebody has to do it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lu3ke at yahoo.com Wed May 2 17:29:16 2007 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] Standard Taxi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <821586.97669.qm@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm not sure. If people are able to see past its staggering ugliness, I think it might be. I mean, aside from it aesthetic challenges (It looks like some kind of lego vehicle, or as if someone took an H2 and made a half-assed attempt to checker-ize it), its features seem Great. Absolutely what is needed for the American taxi market. I can't tell you the number of times I have had to try to cram my 6'6" frame into some teensy tiny toyota avalon or RAV4 or something which is trying to pretend to be a taxicab. Pah. - Luke checker-l admin --- Thomas McIntyre wrote: > think this will be viable? > http://www.standardtaxi.com/nyimages.html > > > > Thomas Mcintyre > Baggins at Well.com > 285 States Street > San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 > Support Camp Mather - http://www.campmather.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From captunderdog at clearwire.net Wed May 2 20:58:38 2007 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <614206.68640.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <614206.68640.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463933BE.5040200@clearwire.net> It is not a "greenhouse gas" if that's what you mean. 12a is considered more flammable than 134a, until you install 134a and mix it with it's oil, then it has the same flammability. Speaking of sunblock, this old earth has been through several "ice ages" and just as many "global warmings" up to this point, and mankind is not going to accelerate, or slow, the process despite his delusions of grandeur. www.iceagenow.com God Bless. Walt. Tod Gemuese wrote: > How does it interact with the environment? Is 12a as > safe as 134a? That is my primary concern. (as well > it should be for any one who doesn't want to invest > heavily in SPF 6000 sunblock.) > > - Luke > Checker-l Admin > --- Walt Taufen wrote: > > From lu3ke at yahoo.com Thu May 3 05:41:41 2007 From: lu3ke at yahoo.com (Tod Gemuese) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 02:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <463933BE.5040200@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <3984.93202.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow. I never thought I would run into a real-life climate change denier. wow. But this is really not the forum for that sort of a discussion, so let us drop it. Thanks for the response on 12a, though! - Luke checker-l admin --- Walt Taufen wrote: > It is not a "greenhouse gas" if that's what you > mean. 12a is considered > more flammable than 134a, until you install 134a and > mix it with it's > oil, then it has the same flammability. > > Speaking of sunblock, this old earth has been > through several "ice ages" > and just as many "global warmings" up to this point, > and mankind is not > going to accelerate, or slow, the process despite > his delusions of > grandeur. > > www.iceagenow.com > > God Bless. > Walt. > > Tod Gemuese wrote: > > How does it interact with the environment? Is 12a > as > > safe as 134a? That is my primary concern. (as > well > > it should be for any one who doesn't want to > invest > > heavily in SPF 6000 sunblock.) > > > > - Luke > > Checker-l Admin > > --- Walt Taufen > wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From captunderdog at clearwire.net Thu May 3 09:31:17 2007 From: captunderdog at clearwire.net (Walt Taufen) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 06:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <3984.93202.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3984.93202.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4639E425.1060701@clearwire.net> I'm not real sure what a 'climate change denier' would be, because there is no denying that many climate changes have taken place on this planet, it's just the height of pompous arrogance for mankind to believe that he is the one causing it. There are two things I have learned in my 50 plus years: 1. There is a God. 2. I am not Him. and that's all I'm going to say about that. God Bless. Walt Tod Gemuese wrote: > Wow. I never thought I would run into a real-life > climate change denier. wow. > > But this is really not the forum for that sort of a > discussion, so let us drop it. > > Thanks for the response on 12a, though! > > - Luke > checker-l admin > > From jasalley78749 at yahoo.com Thu May 3 10:28:56 2007 From: jasalley78749 at yahoo.com (James Alley) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <4639E425.1060701@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <585039.48843.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well, I know one thing. We all love our Checkers. We all can agree on that. By the way, after reading both of your posts for the last few years, I think both of your contributions are worthwhile, and hope nobody gets their back up. Personally, I worry a lot about my little boy and the world he grows up in. I've seen my share of mountains torn down to make stockholders rich so they can buy more mountains to tear down. I remember swiming in rivers in South Tex that don't exist any more because folks wanted to raise Pecans that require flood irrigation. I've seen pictures on the internet of copper mines with slurry pits full of glow-in-the-dark-green poison water you can see from outer space. And so on..... This doesn't make me some kind of nut with big black glasses with white tape and a clip board. It doesn't mean I want to run other peoples lives. It sure doesn't mean I don't believe in God. It just means I'm worried about my little boy and the world he's growing up in. As for God, I don't believe he's going to clean up my messes. I think we better not poop where we sleep. I hope this doesn't get me thrown off the list. In my never-humble-enough opinion, James L Alley --- Walt Taufen wrote: > I'm not real sure what a 'climate change denier' > would be, because there > is no denying that many climate changes have taken > place on this planet, > it's just the height of pompous arrogance for > mankind to believe that he > is the one causing it. > > There are two things I have learned in my 50 plus > years: > 1. There is a God. > 2. I am not Him. > > and that's all I'm going to say about that. > > God Bless. > Walt > > Tod Gemuese wrote: > > Wow. I never thought I would run into a real-life > > climate change denier. wow. > > > > But this is really not the forum for that sort of > a > > discussion, so let us drop it. > > > > Thanks for the response on 12a, though! > > > > - Luke > > checker-l admin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From karlfink at chartermi.net Fri May 4 21:26:52 2007 From: karlfink at chartermi.net (Karl Fink) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 21:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion In-Reply-To: <463933BE.5040200@clearwire.net> Message-ID: <20070505012654.VIMG29131.aa05.charter.net@D3HVQ871> Walt: Thank you for your comments and the link. -----Original Message----- From: checker-bounces at textfiles.com [mailto:checker-bounces at textfiles.com] On Behalf Of Walt Taufen Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:59 PM To: Checker Mailing List Subject: Re: [Checker-l] refrigerant conversion It is not a "greenhouse gas" if that's what you mean. 12a is considered more flammable than 134a, until you install 134a and mix it with it's oil, then it has the same flammability. Speaking of sunblock, this old earth has been through several "ice ages" and just as many "global warmings" up to this point, and mankind is not going to accelerate, or slow, the process despite his delusions of grandeur. www.iceagenow.com God Bless. Walt. Tod Gemuese wrote: > How does it interact with the environment? Is 12a as > safe as 134a? That is my primary concern. (as well > it should be for any one who doesn't want to invest > heavily in SPF 6000 sunblock.) > > - Luke > Checker-l Admin > --- Walt Taufen wrote: > > _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker at textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker From jenkins.frames at juno.com Fri May 4 23:34:56 2007 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames at juno.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 03:34:56 GMT Subject: [Checker-l] Orphan Car show Message-ID: <20070504.203520.28.3009287@webmail04.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070505/de08c6c1/attachment.ksh From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sat May 5 08:33:46 2007 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (John Weinhoeft) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 07:33:46 -0500 Subject: [Checker-l] Orphan Car show In-Reply-To: <20070504.203520.28.3009287@webmail04.lax.untd.com> References: <20070504.203520.28.3009287@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <463C79AA.5000809@insightbb.com> Arthur, At last count (with 3 weeks to go on registration) there were 27 Checkers registered, including one wagon, one Medicar, Garrison's 31, Merkel's 50 and Fay's 57 but no Aerobuses. Some of us are staying at the Ann Arbor Comfort Inn ... the other choice is the Ypsilanti Marriott ... both have Ypsi show rates if you ask plus other discounted rates some of us may qualify for. John W jenkins.frames at juno.com wrote: >A quick question, >How many of us are attending the Orphan Car Show this year? >Anyone attending, is there the 'official' Checker hotel where us taxi >types will be staying? > >About the refrigerant conversion, use what works for you. If you look >at the history of why we have the constraints on CFC's it is because >the patents on freon were running out not ozone or global warming. > >Enough of my opinions > >Arthur > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker at textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > > > From pworth at valdosta.edu Sat May 5 08:57:17 2007 From: pworth at valdosta.edu (Paul E Worth) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Checker-l] Orphan Car show Message-ID: <6163042.1178369837380.JavaMail.pworth@valdosta.edu> Arthur, I'll be there with my 1972 Marathon. Sue and I will be staying in Cleveland on the 2nd and in Kalamazoo on the 3rd as part of the Hot Rod Power Tour (Cleveland to Little Rock). We plan to drive to Ypsi early on the 3rd for the show and then drive on to Kazoo after the show. I would love to see a bunch of us show up together at the Kalamazoo County Fairgrounds to show the Hot Rod folks why Kazoo is a part of automotive history. There should be 1000+ cars there, many of world class design and craftsmanship. Last I heard, there were almost 30 cars going to Ypsi, the same number we had at Kazoo last year. The show organizers have negotiated special rates at Comfort Inn for those who stay in Ypsilanti: www.ypsiautoheritage.org/lodging.htm Paul Worth 1972 Marathon 1970 Medicar jenkins.frames at juno.com wrote: > >A quick question, >How many of us are attending the Orphan Car Show this year? >Anyone attending, is there the 'official' Checker hotel where us taxi >types will be staying? > >About the refrigerant conversion, use what works for you. If you look >at the history of why we have the constraints on CFC's it is because >the patents on freon were running out not ozone or global warming. > >Enough of my opinions > >Arthur > > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker at textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > From didd1969 at yahoo.com Sat May 5 16:43:38 2007 From: didd1969 at yahoo.com (David Allen) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <4162012A.2050408@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey all. I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # on the title. Is it valid? David --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070505/109d3993/attachment.html From dklauck at hotmail.com Sat May 5 16:56:44 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 16:56:44 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Should start with 1C for 1981. Example for the club website is 1CMTS412XBK005261 _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i?m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From mattm at optonline.net Sat May 5 17:31:53 2007 From: mattm at optonline.net (Matt Murray) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 17:31:53 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker References: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00df01c78f5c$ccc53d30$6401a8c0@matt88400db956> David, Looks like from what Douglas posted, your VIN should be: 1CMTS4128BK002844 That would also make it 17 digit compliant (yours in your post was 15 digits). Matt Murray Mobile 203.856.3703 MattM at optonline.net www.mattmurray.org The Higgins Group/Christie's Great Estates www.higginsgroup.com a Connecticut Licensee ----- Original Message ----- Should start with 1C for 1981. Example for the club website is 1CMTS412XBK005261 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Allen" > Hey all. > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is MTS4128BK002844, > but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later have 17 digits and > this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # on the title. Is it > valid? > > David From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sat May 5 18:52:55 2007 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (John Weinhoeft) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 17:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463D0AC7.4040806@insightbb.com> David, The rest of the guys are right. I wrote the VIN decoder documentation and it should begin 1C (the 1 = US and the C followed by the first M = Checker Motors). Checker switched to standard VIN numbering in 1980. The VIN is in 3 easily accessible locations on your car: 1 - the dash next to the driver's front pillar (A pillar) easily visible through the windshield 2 - the lower part of the driver's front pillar, visible when the door is open 3 - under the hood on the build plate on the firewall in front of the steering wheel Bet one or more of them begin 1CMTS ... By the way, in position 4 the T = A-11 Taxicab model, M = A-12 Marathon model And position 5, S = 120 inch wheelbase (standard length) John W David Allen wrote: > Hey all. > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is > MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later > have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # > on the title. Is it valid? > > David From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sat May 5 18:57:45 2007 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (John Weinhoeft) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 17:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <387670.73321.qm@web30710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463D0BE9.3060100@insightbb.com> David, BTW ... didn't see you name in the list of club members ... you really should consider joining www.checkercarclub.org Sorry to the rest of you ... had to get the club plug in ;-) John Weinhoeft President, CCCoA, Inc. David Allen wrote: > Hey all. > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is > MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later > have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # > on the title. Is it valid? > > David From polyhistor1 at yahoo.com Sat May 5 23:02:33 2007 From: polyhistor1 at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <463D0BE9.3060100@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <547187.91090.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John is right, David. You will encounter a tremendous amount of ignorance out there among mechanics and parts stores regarding Checkers. The info the club provides to members is invaluable. Ron Shull Tucson John Weinhoeft wrote: David, BTW ... didn't see you name in the list of club members ... you really should consider joining www.checkercarclub.org Sorry to the rest of you ... had to get the club plug in ;-) John Weinhoeft President, CCCoA, Inc. David Allen wrote: > Hey all. > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is > MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later > have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # > on the title. Is it valid? > > David _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker at textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070505/ad67336b/attachment.html From didd1969 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 00:43:16 2007 From: didd1969 at yahoo.com (David Allen) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <315312.68175.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the help Douglas. David Douglas Klauck wrote: Should start with 1C for 1981. Example for the club website is 1CMTS412XBK005261 _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i?m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker at textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070505/15c11181/attachment.html From didd1969 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 00:59:08 2007 From: didd1969 at yahoo.com (David Allen) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <463D0AC7.4040806@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <20070506045908.12297.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, This helps alot. I bought this in Florida from the original owner. I was told it was a Marathon A-12. It has a 1/2 landau top, opera window and with lamp on the pillar between the front and rear doors. According to your info it is a A-11 Taxicab model. I haven't seen any evidence of a jump seat or other equipment that might indicate it was a taxi. What is the deal with the "Winkoff" Checkers from down here? David John Weinhoeft wrote: David, The rest of the guys are right. I wrote the VIN decoder documentation and it should begin 1C (the 1 = US and the C followed by the first M = Checker Motors). Checker switched to standard VIN numbering in 1980. The VIN is in 3 easily accessible locations on your car: 1 - the dash next to the driver's front pillar (A pillar) easily visible through the windshield 2 - the lower part of the driver's front pillar, visible when the door is open 3 - under the hood on the build plate on the firewall in front of the steering wheel Bet one or more of them begin 1CMTS ... By the way, in position 4 the T = A-11 Taxicab model, M = A-12 Marathon model And position 5, S = 120 inch wheelbase (standard length) John W David Allen wrote: > Hey all. > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is > MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and later > have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the vin # > on the title. Is it valid? > > David _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker at textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070505/c909ee33/attachment.html From dklauck at hotmail.com Sun May 6 02:00:28 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 02:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker Message-ID: David, Your description of 1/2 landau top, opera window and with lamp on the pillar between the front and rear doors has Winkoff written all over it. Marvin Winkoff seemed to always by A11s. Is it also the unique two tone paint scheme the Winkoff used? Jump seats are no indication of A11 or A12. Many A12 had jump seats and many A11s did not. Do be confused by the A11 designation. It doesn't mean it was ever a taxi. It's just the taxi model. John, This helps alot. I bought this in Florida from the original owner. I was told it was a Marathon A-12. It has a 1/2 landau top, opera window and with lamp on the pillar between the front and rear doors. According to your info it is a A-11 Taxicab model. I haven't seen any evidence of a jump seat or other equipment that might indicate it was a taxi. What is the deal with the "Winkoff" Checkers from down here? David _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com Sun May 6 10:43:16 2007 From: john_weinhoeft at insightbb.com (John Weinhoeft) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 09:43:16 -0500 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker In-Reply-To: <20070506045908.12297.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070506045908.12297.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463DE984.9020607@insightbb.com> David, First off, the A-11 and A-12 are basically the same car with some minor trim, options (and sometimes spring rate) differences. The A-11 was the plain jane workhorse and the A-12 was the dressed up model. The Winkoff extended family owned the Southeast Florida Checker dealership. They saw a business opportunity to sell Checkers that were dressed up as miniature limos so they bought as basic a Checker model as they could (the A-11 with standard options) and then gutted and replaced the interior, redid the exterior with the 1/2 landau roof, side coach lights, and the unusual "front / rear diagonal" two tone paint schemes, all of which were unique to the "Winkoff" models and make them easy to visually identify. When they proved popular, the factory decided to get a piece of the action and offered their own more dressed up "mini limo" version of the A-12 with full vinyl top and either solid C pillars or opera windows. My 81 A-12 is a factory example with the "third window delete" option (solid C pillar). While the factory minis were nice, the Winkoff's were the plusher of the two models. As to jump seats, they were extra cost optional equipment ... only some of the cars had them ... a lot of Taxicabs did not have them, my A-12 has the round jump seats as a factory option making it an "8 passenger limo" (for short distances). BTW: some of this (and more) is covered in the publicly available article "Buying Your First Checker" article on the club web site: http://www.checkertaxistand.com/Repair_Tips/General_Info/Everything_You_Wish_You_Had_Known_Before_You_Bought_Your_First_Checker_!/ John W David Allen wrote: > John, > > This helps alot. I bought this in Florida from the original owner. I > was told it was a Marathon A-12. It has a 1/2 landau top, opera window > and with lamp on the pillar between the front and rear doors. > According to your info it is a A-11 Taxicab model. I haven't seen any > evidence of a jump seat or other equipment that might indicate it was > a taxi. What is the deal with the "Winkoff" Checkers from down here? > > David > > > John Weinhoeft wrote: > > David, > > The rest of the guys are right. I wrote the VIN decoder documentation > and it should begin 1C (the 1 = US and the C followed by the first > M = > Checker Motors). Checker switched to standard VIN numbering in 1980. > > The VIN is in 3 easily accessible locations on your car: > > 1 - the dash next to the driver's front pillar (A pillar) easily > visible > through the windshield > > 2 - the lower part of the driver's front pillar, visible when the > door > is open > > 3 - under the hood on the build plate on the firewall in front of the > steering wheel > > Bet one or more of them begin 1CMTS ... > > By the way, in position 4 the T = A-11 Taxicab model, M = A-12 > Marathon > model > > And position 5, S = 120 inch wheelbase (standard length) > > John W > > > David Allen wrote: > > > Hey all. > > > > I have a an '81 Checker Marathon A-12 and the VIN # is > > MTS4128BK002844, but the checksum vin verification states 81 and > later > > have 17 digits and this vin doesn't pass this test. This is the > vin # > > on the title. Is it valid? > > > > David > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/checker/attachments/20070506/caead459/attachment-0001.html From cuhajg at yahoo.com Sun May 6 12:44:05 2007 From: cuhajg at yahoo.com (George Cuhaj) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker, third window delete In-Reply-To: <463DE984.9020607@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <303447.98615.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John mentioned somthing quite interesting about the Checker models on the dressed-up limo option. I bought a A12-E from a member in VA last spring, and his fractory landau roof was removed. It originally had the quarter round windows deleted, and then they were welded back in! and then covered with the landau treatment. The interior looks great, but the window out, and then put back in seemed to me like a quick way to use a extra roof punched out for another purpose! George Cuhaj Iola, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baggins at well.com Sun May 6 13:17:57 2007 From: baggins at well.com (Thomas McIntyre) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Checker-l] 1981 Checker, third window delete In-Reply-To: <33284646.1178469931955.JavaMail.root@m41> References: <33284646.1178469931955.JavaMail.root@m41> Message-ID: <4C8394B6-B2B8-4FA8-ACAB-5417CE07F9B5@well.com> maybe that is a "refractory" roof? On May 6, 2007, at 9:44 am, George Cuhaj wrote: > John mentioned somthing quite interesting about the > Checker models on the dressed-up limo option. > > I bought a A12-E from a member in VA last spring, and > his fractory landau roof was removed. It originally > had the quarter round windows deleted, and then they > were welded back in! and then covered with the landau > treatment. > > The interior looks great, but the window out, and then > put back in seemed to me like a quick way to use a > extra roof punched out for another purpose! > > George Cuhaj > Iola, WI > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Checker mailing list > Checker at textfiles.com > http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > > Thomas Mcintyre Baggins at Well.com 285 States Street San Francisco, CA 94114-1405 Support Camp Mather - http://www.campmather.com From willietb at hotmail.com Mon May 7 21:00:19 2007 From: willietb at hotmail.com (William T. Brandum) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:00:19 +0000 Subject: [Checker-l] Orphan Car show In-Reply-To: <463C79AA.5000809@insightbb.com> Message-ID: Couple questions: What's the electrical connector on the drivers side of my tranny for? What eats Bondo? Some paint stripper I had softened it, but not very quickly or deeply. It's not in an area I can easily grind it out. Would a torch work? Thanks! Will _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From dklauck at hotmail.com Mon May 7 21:53:20 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 21:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] Orphan Car show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you have a Turbo 400 then the connector is for the kickdown. 3rd to 2nd. I have used a torch many time to remove bondo. Doug Couple questions: What's the electrical connector on the drivers side of my tranny for? What eats Bondo? Some paint stripper I had softened it, but not very quickly or deeply. It's not in an area I can easily grind it out. Would a torch work? Thanks! Will _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Checker mailing list Checker at textfiles.com http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From willietb at hotmail.com Tue May 8 20:10:05 2007 From: willietb at hotmail.com (William T. Brandum) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 00:10:05 +0000 Subject: [Checker-l] trans q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I figured the tranny connector out just after posting the q. I hope the car hasnt been damaged by not having it on there for 10 years. What will happen when I hook it up? >From: "Douglas Klauck" > >If you have a Turbo 400 then the connector is for the kickdown. 3rd to >2nd. > >I have used a torch many time to remove bondo. > >Doug > > >Couple questions: > >What's the electrical connector on the drivers side of my tranny for? > >What eats Bondo? Some paint stripper I had softened it, but not very >quickly >or deeply. It's not in an area I can easily grind it out. Would a torch >work? > >Thanks! >Will > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office >Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker at textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office >Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >Checker mailing list >Checker at textfiles.com >http://mail.textfiles.com/mailman/listinfo/checker _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You?ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 From dklauck at hotmail.com Tue May 8 21:13:26 2007 From: dklauck at hotmail.com (Douglas Klauck) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Checker-l] trans q's Message-ID: Assuming your kick down switch is working and adjusted properly, the transmission will down shift from 3rd to 2nd when you give it a good amount of gas. It gives the car much better pick up. I doubt if you damaged anything by not having it hooked up but torque converter manufactures usually state in the warranty that it must be hooked up or damage will occur. Doug> From: willietb at hotmail.com> To: checker at textfiles.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:10:05 +0000> Subject: [Checker-l] trans q's> > I figured the tranny connector out just after posting the q. I hope the car > hasnt been damaged by not having it on there for 10 years. 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No more restorations, only "light" mechanical > work, no more cars parked on the forecourt at night, etc, etc.... > > The bottom line is that Peter must comply > > > From TPGdirop at aol.com Wed May 23 09:18:26 2007 From: TPGdirop at aol.com (TPGdirop at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:18:26 EDT Subject: [Checker-l] NYC's Yellow Cabs Going Green Message-ID: gonna a be a little short on room in the Ford Escape, as opposed to Crown Vics Garry Brown _Click here: NYC's Yellow Cabs Going Green, Mayor Bloomberg Says City's Taxi Fleet Will Switch Entirely To Hybrid Vehicles By 2_ (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/22/tech/main2836092.shtml) (http://www.cbsnews.com/) ____________________________________ NYC's Yellow Cabs Going Green NEW YORK, May 22, 2007 ____________________________________ (AP) The city's yellow taxi fleet will go entirely hybrid within five years, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday. "There's an awful lot of taxicabs on the streets of New York City," Bloomberg said. "These cars just sit there in traffic sometimes, belching fumes. "This does a lot less. It's a lot better for all of us," he said of the hybrid plan. Nearly 400 fuel-efficient hybrids have been tested in the city's taxi fleet over the past 18 months, with models including the Toyota Prius, the Toyota Highlander Hybrid, the Lexus RX 400h and the Ford Escape. Under Bloomberg's plan, that number will increase to 1,000 by October 2008, then will grow by about 20 percent each year until 2012, when every yellow cab ? currently numbering 13,000 ? will be a hybrid. Hybrid vehicles run on a combination of gasoline and electricity, emitting less exhaust and achieving higher gas mileage per gallon. The standard yellow cab vehicle, the Ford Crown Victoria, gets 14 miles per gallon. In contrast, the Ford Escape taxis get 36 miles per gallon. In addition to making the yellow cab brigade entirely green within five years, the city will require all new vehicles entering the fleet after October 2008 to achieve a minimum of 25 miles per gallon. A year later, all new vehicles must get 30 miles per gallon and be hybrid. Bloomberg made the announcement on NBC's "Today" show. Hybrid vehicles are typically more expensive, but the city said the increase in fuel efficiency will save taxi operators more than $10,000 per year. Yahoo Inc. said it would donate 10 hybrid Ford Escapes for the city's effort. Shifting the taxi fleet to hybrids is part of Bloomberg's wider sustainability plan for the city, which includes a goal of a 30 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030. Part of the plan could include congestion pricing for drivers entering some of the busiest parts of Manhattan. Turning over the taxi fleet by 2012 is not an impossible goal. The life of a New York City taxi is typically about three to five years; the city's Taxi and Limousine Commission requires all vehicles to be retired within a certain time frame. Fernando Mateo, president of the New York State Federation of Taxi Drivers, an advocacy trade group, applauded the city's effort to go green. "In the short term, they're going to have to spend more money, but in the long run they will save money," he said. "We support getting more hybrids on the road." The government does not own the city's yellow cabs, but sells licenses to individual drivers and operators, who must purchase their own vehicles that meet the specifications of the Taxi and Limousine Commission. The agency serves as the regulating and licensing authority for all vehicles per hire in the city. ? MMVII The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. 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